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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ignore. The attention seekers just want you silenced too. Don't fall for it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,239 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Incorrect my friend, the point I was making was MDH was skating on thin ice as you say.

    It took two learned constitutionals to sift through his utterings to conclude he was within the parameters.

    That’s the point , the very fact that these folk and the media got involved indicated concern about his wordings.

    You done jumped in a bit too fast there a dhuine uasal.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,485 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: walshb & Brendan Bendar are taking some time off for trolling. I've also had to dish out a number of warnings for personal abuse. Posters really should know better by now, report and don't react you're only giving them exactly what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    Are we equating a private citizen of a country with an actual arm of the state of a country? In a thread full of false equivalences, that’s up there close to the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭almostover


    Classic case of both parties in the wrong. Kitty was inciting the police but of course they should know better to not take the bait. The police officers will most likely be in trouble for this, the level of force in restraining her being the main issue seeing as it lead to a broken arm. But she was hardly fully innocent herself in this mess.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    Compared to WW2, even using the Israeli numbers. The Israelis are twice as bad as the Axis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭Randycove


    classic police tactics in public order situations like this. There’s always a “leader” whose actions give others courage, remove the leader and the rest suddenly become compliant. It does appear to be a bit over the top though, especially if she suffered a broken arm.
    I know I’m going to hell, but it was funny the way she was screaming “we’re not **** scared of you” and he gave her a jab right on the nose to shut her up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,580 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I said sometime ago that the Israelis would take out the Houthi leadership over the course of 2025 and sure enough that is what's now happening. It' s remarkable how precise and competent the IDF can be when it comes to external actors. I suspect blanch152 along with others would justify these killings as self defense. I wonder though would they see the killing of senior members of the Israeli government as justifiable self defense by others. Would, for example, the Iranians be justified in killing members of the Israeli government in light of the June war if they frame it as pre emptive self defense in case Bibi decides to attack again?

    Post edited by nacho libre on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    It'll be even funnier when he has to explain to his wife and kids that he's lost his job for beating up a woman



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Maybe I'm wrong or missing something but I don't see anything reasonable about those two punches, I saw no reason in that video for him to punch her twice, they had no problem pulling her out and taking her away, she may of been a nuisance but that doesn't warrant two straight punches to the face…pull her out, arrest her but those punches were out of order.

    Should be done for it really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Seems Trump's 'Gaza Riviera plan is indeed the thing that Blair and Kushner have been discussing this week:

    "A post-war plan for Gaza circulating within the Trump administration, modelled on President Donald Trump’s vow to “take over” the enclave, would turn it into a trusteeship administered by the United States for at least 10 years while it is transformed into a gleaming tourism resort and high-tech manufacturing and technology hub.

    The 38-page prospectus seen by The Washington Post envisions at least a temporary relocation of all of Gaza’s more than 2 million population, either through what it calls “voluntary” departures to another country or into restricted, secured zones inside the enclave during reconstruction."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,916 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no it's more the fact she was protesting, was attacked and then tried to defend herself.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,580 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Blanch 152, do you agree with this take:https://archive.ph/4NDGm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭almostover


    That's the crux of it really, they were capable of restraining her fairly easily as it proved and the punches were thrown as retribution for her taunting. The police involved will likely be suspended or their employment terminated. Rightly so too. She was being very antagonistic but they over reacted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Palestine and Israel are not neighbours. Israel is a coloniser that has invaded Palestine and is engaged in genocide and ethnic cleansing. Palestine has a right in law to defend itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Remember all those posts bemoaning how Hamas would not agree terms?

    Israel reneged on the last ceasefire deal in March - it would have allowed all the hostages to be returned and for the war to stop.

    But Israel doesn't want the war to stop nor does it give two monkeys for the hostages. It's only goal is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians (the ones who haven't been executed or starved to death) and to annex Gaza and settle it.

    Proof? :

    Israel's security cabinet is not expected to discuss the cease-fire proposal accepted by Hamas two weeks ago during its Sunday evening meeting, several sources told Haaretz, adding that ministers will focus primarily on progress in preparations for a military operation to occupy Gaza City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Its in a cops job description not to rise to people like this, she may be annoying, antagonistic, hostile whatever you can't throw two right hooks because you feel like it or because you think she deserves it, the more I look at it the worse it gets really, I mean cops deal with disorderly people on a regular basis, take all sorts of abuse and don't resort to that, whatever you may think of this person this wasn't on, as I said pull her away and arrest her, but throwing to hooks to the face in this case is just assault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Very powerful opinion piece from Haaretz:

    Michael Sfard is an Israeli lawyer and political activist specialising in international human rights law and the laws of war.

    He has served as counsel in various cases on these topics in israel. Sfard has represented a variety of Israeli and Palestinian human rights and peace organisations, movements and activists at the Israeli Supreme Court.

    He is a grandchild of a Holocaust survivor.

    "It's easiest to look at Ben-Gvir or Smotrich and feel it has nothing to do with us.

    It's most comforting to think about these two petty fascists, who – unlike their Italian or German counterparts – have neither class nor aesthetics, only raw racism and sadistic cruelty, and feel relieved.

    It's easiest to scoff at Smotrich waxing poetic about how moral it is to starve two million Gazans and how acceptable it is to sacrifice the hostages.

    It's easiest to sneer at Ben-Gvir relishing the idea of ethnic cleansing (which he calls 'encouraging migration') and tell ourselves this doesn't represent us, it's not us.

    But the criminal, felonious, unforgivable project of Gaza's destruction is an all-Israeli project.

    It could not have happened without the cooperation – whether through active contribution or silence – of all parts of Jewish Israeli society"

    Michael Sfard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I guess in order to placate the far-right headbangers, pardoning a terrorist and murderer of 7 people seems to be acceptable.

    Well, it is in Israel where even Genocide is "business as usual".

    Israeli President Isaac Herzog is considering pardoning Jewish terrorist Ami Popper, who killed seven Palestinian workers in 1990, as a measure that could soften right-wing opposition to a cease-fire deal with Hamas that would include the release of Palestinian prisoners, the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reported, citing sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The Palestinians in Gaza must be cock-a-hoop with this latest news!

    Well, the ones who aren't dead or dying of course. Or those that don't own land, like orphaned kids and so on.

    Palestinians who own land in Gaza will be offered a digital token in exchange for development rights which can either be used to finance life outside of Gaza or to redeem an apartment in its new "AI-powered, smart cities," the report said. The proposed scheme would be run by the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation (GREAT) Trust.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    This is so dystopian it is hard to comprehend, do you have a link to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm afraid I don't - it's a strap line from Haaretz. I'd imagine others will report on it today.

    But yes, it's bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like a new glossy 38 page brochure is being passed around for the redevelopment of Gaza. A lovely 400m2 penthouse overlooking the Med and golf course, great rental potential including all furniture. Sick bunch of evil ***** who are complicit in this, i bet they get a nice discount for their efforts.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Where are those naive posters who insisted it wasn't a complete takeover plan?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I don't think most of them were/are being naïve, just completely disingenuous about their actual opinions for whatever reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    And on top of it all, they insist on excusing actual ethnic cleansing, if not outright genocide. It's something I really can't my head around, even allowing for the ones who are trolling and even then that's no excuse. Given the demographics on this site now most of them are either parents or grandparents and still they will casually dismiss children being murdered along with other civilians. I don't have children and I never will but this absolutely depraved lack of empathy is something I just can't understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭purplesnack


    It's absolutely soul destroying watching this and knowing there is fcuk all you can do about it. Shame on the world for allowing this to happen. Fcuk isreal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Because I genuinely don't know what the law says about it. My understanding is that if a force are actively engaging from a civilian building, like a hospital or a school, then that building can legally be fired on. I don't know if just having a military presence in a civilian building is enough to make it a legitimate target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    There's no military presence in a lot the these place, it's just wanton murder - unless you think that children and Christian nuns are terrorists that deserve to die.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One wonders if the international community outside of the two rogue states of Israel and the US would allow this to happen. It would involve genocide (mass forced expulsion of an entire population) and multiple breaches of international law.



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