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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    "Such people saying there would be violence at the border again if there were customs posts there are implying they would support violence again on the border, rather than having customs checks there as opposed to being between mainland Britain and N.I."

    Your inferrance that people who warn of violence therefore support violence is incorrect.

    Did the head of the PSNI supports violence if there was a hard border as he also warned of violence should there have been a hard border?

    Notice how only politicians from the RoI got accused of threatening violence. The only people who accused LV of threatening violence were unionist . Not one london or Brussels politician inferred he was threatening violence. Just another lame excuse to come out with seige mentality shite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭csirl


    yes, I think in a UI these will continue to be celebrated. I also think they'll become more inclusive and more focused on the cultural history than they are today. I can see them being big cultural and tourism events.

    I believe the Ulster Scots folk park is just outside Omagh. Im sure there'll be more similar attractions developed in the future.

    Johnny Foxes is a pub/venue just outside Dublin where tourists go to get a cultural experience - food, drink, Irish dancing & music.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,241 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Both men openly support/supported the IRA.

    They didn’t hide behind a victims group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    As a supporter of SF, why do you claim Adams / McGuinness openly support / supported the IRA, yet you have not said, yet anyway, you openly support/supported the IRA. Why the discrepancy? You cannot have it both ways. Around the table at the GFA, none of the leaders of the of the main unionist partier openly admitted they support or supported loyalist paramilitary violence - certainly nothing to the same extent as SF/IRA?

    Interesting how you have no problem supporting Adams / McGuinness addressing crowds and taking part in countless marches, but you would not let someone who had relations killed by the pIRA attend a victims march in Dublin, just once.

    It says it all about how you would respect the right of the other side to have a voice in a U.I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,873 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Recent as in nearly 20 years ago? Some orange lodges take part in the Dublin st patricks parade in the last few years. There is orange lodges in the ROI and marchs too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    The Unionists around the GFA table openly supported the Foreign English soldiers who murdered our people on bloody Sunday etc-

    It was two war sides - the Provos and the brits- and the brit were beat-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Frazer joined the brit army- like his relatives- then cried like a brit when the IRA executed them-

    Big boys rules in war-

    Brits hurt us- and English city centres were destroyed-

    Grib pro pro-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,241 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I voted for FF FG etc in the past, might do again.

    I don’t subscribe to all a party stand for.

    That is what a party member would do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    I do not think anyone who works for a party would subscribe to all the party may stand for. Yes, you did say you sometimes have voted FG FF in the past but you are SF now.

    It was not a war. The pIRA did not take prisoners. When they took prisoners, they executed them, and was not unknown to torture them first if they could. It was not war as they (pIRA) were not fighting on behalf of any government. If it was war, the 40,000 people in the UDR would have taken out a lot more Republicans.

    If it was war, what does FrancieBrady and yourself have to say about the Gardai and Irish army killed by the pIRA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    The UDR had not got it in them to fight a war-

    The IRA fought for Ireland- the UDR / brit army fought for a weeks wage-

    There was always going to be one winner- and it wasn't going to be the paid / ordered what to do UDR-

    The brits ordered the UDR off our streets- and the UDR said- Yes Sir-



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,241 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody should have died in the conflict/war that could have been prevented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    The British army kept their guns. The pIRA had to give up their guns and explosives. The line in the map stayed in the same place, so the pIRA failed in its objective of a U.I.

    If it was war, what do you have to say about the Gardai and Irish army killed by the pIRA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun



    I’m talking about the eejits who can’t keep such celebrations of heritage in perspective, ie, who are explicitly hostile to the other side. The Orange Order is a shadow of what it used to be partly because it failed to adapt its message to modern times which is a shame when community participation is in general decline. Most young people with any education or ambition don’t buy into that paranoid, sectarian tribalism any more and are embarrassed by it.

    Some people in NI need to take a hard look at the South and the British ‘mainland’ to see how completely out of step they are with contemporary secular life.

    Post edited by Ardillaun on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    A dozen would be enough. Look at Dessie O'Hare and all the chaos he caused in the eighties. I remember Gardai road blocks all over the country trying to catch just one individual. He evaded capture for years, even though the security services knew all about him.


    That is so true. Let’s say a handful would be all that’s needed to bring the country to its knees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The Folk Park is a lovely place to visit. It’s right beside some of my relatives. Let’s be positive about the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    The brit army demilitarised all it's checkpoints / barracks on the border for all to see-

    Who did the Provos give there guns and explosives up to-

    Not a ounce- Not a bullet did the brit get handed to them-

    Loyalists decommissioned in public- so they lost according to your rambling-

    IRA never admitted to killing a 26 county soldier-

    The IRA were 32 county soldiers-

    Didn't i hear that the 26 army was running from the Israeli in Lebanon-?-

    For why did they go- why did they die in Lebanon- to run home to mummy-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Brexit England- Lol - so jealous-

    Run home from Lebanon the 26 army- so jealous- what are we supposed to look at- ?- Lol-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Bring U to your knees-

    Ireland 32 is made much sterner than your type-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    When I’m Shah of Ireland those massive bonfires will be gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Folks I won’t be engaging with this guy. I think it’s unhelpful and I think you nationalists should challenge him. If he was on the unionist side I would challenge him.
    I am going to assume he is somewhere between 12-14 years.

    Tbh I would love you would put him in charge of your PR encouraging unification.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    To young people I would say, it was an ugly tribal war (as they always are) with good and bad on both sides. A lot of otherwise decent people were sucked in by the myths they were told. If you want to study the history, fine, but be sceptical about what you read and hear, especially from those closest to you. And watch out for resentment. There’s probably enough of that in your life already without the imagined collective past dumping more on your plate.

    I should probably add that weed is legal in Canada.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    I know you are partially joking, but this is typical of Southener’s view of PUL culture. You don’t need to engage, or attempt to understand it, you just know it’s bad and it needs stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    No, it needs to change, to become more like the South and Britain. Do you travel to these exotic locales much? This is yet another reason I oppose UI Now. Neither side is ready up there and the fact that I can still talk of two starkly divided sides is a big problem in itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    The unionist who ran from the Boyne / Drumcree will refuse to debate with me-

    The Unionists / brits were defeated when the 1920 government of Ireland act was removed by the GFA-

    Its why the unionist can't debate with there betters- First minister to Unionists deputy-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun



    I am not a manly man.

    Something I did notice in my brief sojourn working in NI long, long ago on the CNR side at least. It was a significantly more macho culture than the South at the time. Even young professionals could get into scraps at the pub over nothing as we looked on bemused. Perhaps that has changed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    so what is it about my culture and identity that you think needs to change?
    There is lots about your culture and identity in the south that I think is not that appropriate but it’s not up to me to tell you to change - it’s your culture and identity and that would be very patronising of me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    Honestly, I considered it but it's so caricature that I've instead opted to assume it's just trolling and ignore it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    An obvious one that applies to both sides: at most one properly built bonfire per community per city with no flags or names of people on it. Why does anybody have to be told not to put the name of somebody who drowned or a police officer who was attacked up there? This can reach comical levels, eg, when they roped Africa into all this some years ago by burning a Côte D’Ivoire flag but putting a migrant boat on top should not even be thought of. Some fool is quite likely to go the extra yard there and follow through in the real world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    What do you mean "Some fool is quite likely to go the extra yard there and follow through in the real world."? Most loyalist bonfires do not have a migrant boat on them. And if one has a wreck of an old dinghy on it, so what? Nobody has been attacked landing on the beaches in the UK from any of those boats. in fact, the British authorities and lifeboats often rescue them, wrap them in blankets, look after their needs and land them safely ashore where they want to go.

    A far more serious example of enticing people to go the extra yard there and perhaps the odd fool "following through in the real world" would be the likes of Kneecap enticing their followers in Britain to "Kill a Tory MP" or the Wolf Tones getting the crowd to chant "Uh Ah Up the Ra". That is more dangerous and morally wrong than people standing around a bonfire, given many British MPs have been attacked by republicans and some killed etc etc.



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