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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair , anything other than fawning obsequiousness "gets under his skin".

    What I'm enjoying is watching the various mouth-pieces on Fox and elsewhere tie themselves up in knots trying to complain about Newsoms social media activity whilst not letting on that they understand that he's not "emulating" Trump , he's mocking his crass ,vapid stupidity.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It's now 7am where I am. The Air Force and Army subreddits don't mention the decision. The decision is garnering negative reactions on /r/military. None of the military folks who pop up on my X or FB feeds have said anything.

    I have performed over 250 military honors at funerals. Not once, ever, did I ask or find out about how law-abiding the individuals were after separation, regardless of how much news they made or the circumstances of their death. They performed their military service honorably, did not do anything under the law to forfeit the honor earned by that service, and were not denied it by SecArmy. Good enough.

    I shed not a tear at Babbit's death. I did not care enough to follow her funeral or to know whether she received honors or not. I disapprove of yesterday's decision, but that's because I disapprove in general with reversing decisions of predecessors without good reason. I'm OK with the previous secretary denying the honors in 2021, but had he not denied them, I'd have been OK with that too.

    You may mock my oath to the Constitution, but to me that means following the law and accepting the decisions of those authorised to make those decisions whether I like or approve of those decisions or not. So you know what's going to happen? Babbitt is going to get her honors, performed by (presumably) Airmen, because they're professionals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,340 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There appears to be another "friend gesture" from Trump to Ukraine as Dagens.com UK have written on that media site that Trump has given the go ahead for the sale of ERAM missiles to Ukraine. However, this "news" comes after the revelation early this week that some-one in the Pentagon had put a block on missiles being sold/sent to Ukraine. It's possible that the gesture is a sop from Trump to keep some right-wing hawks in the GOP happy, given how Ukraine's cities seem to be open kill zones for Russia each night now.

    According to the Dagens.com UK report the missiles have a range of between 150 to 280 Miles and can be fired from Ukraine's fighter aircraft. The missiles are reportedly a new product and the ERAM purchase WILL be financed through a mix of contributions from Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, and U.S. Foreign Military Financing.

    While Dagens self-identifies as a UK news site, I do not know if it (and it's name) is of European or UK origin. Checks over the net indicate that it has left-wing leanings but that's just a maybe….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    How do you square that last paragraph in your mind? Cognitive dissonance?

    Would there ever be a point where your own moral objections overrule your oath?

    How far would you be willing to go for that oath? a dictatorship? pogroms? concentration camps?

    I think I mentioned this before, but I always remember when I was a kid, watching WW2 documentaries thinking;

    'but HOW did they get Germans to commit such awful acts on other people? where were their personal morals, their objections?' - It made no sense to me.

    Unfortunately in the last few years, the United States has actually answered that question. Nationalism and oaths. It's a hell of a combination, can get people to do anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,375 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's always funny how the rank and file are supposed to follow oaths to the letter but the highest authority in the land can wipe his backside with the oath he took at inauguration.

    In my mind, it's a two way thing. If the individual or institution isn't serving the country, the oath of allegiance to either of those things becomes void.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Dictatorships, pogroms and concentration camps are illegal. Standing at a funeral is not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is no cognitive dissonance in MM's last paragraph. He is talking about obeying a completely legal order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,707 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I was referring to this part:

    'You may mock my oath to the Constitution, but to me that means following the law and accepting the decisions of those authorised to make those decisions whether I like or approve of those decisions or not.'

    Can we not gather from this that his oath trumps all his moral objection in general? Or does it start and stop at funerals? (As that's not how I read it)



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think its remarkably perverse to jump straight to suggesting he'd engage in criminal (and immoral) behaviour off the back off a very anodyne statement of military discipline. Given the discussion was literally about a funeral I dont know how you read it otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Lot more chatter going around that America is now a dictatorship since Trump has been ordering military onto city streets.

    This kind of ignores that he has essentially been ruling the country by executive order since he retook office, which is an indisputably dictatorial move. He literally said himself - 'I'll be a dictator on day one' and, indeed, spent a portion of his inauguration day signing edicts.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He has though I think this a function of both his dictatorial tendencies and the utter chaotic incompetence of the Republicans in general that they just cant pass any legislation.

    The only minor positive of which is that it is more easily reverisble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,655 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Plus targeting his enemies like Bolton. We had Trump supporters who accused Biden of weaponising the Justice department which he didn't. Meanwhile Trump is doing that and they'll avoid discussing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I have no particular confidence that there will be peaceful, fair and orderly election at the end of Trump's stated term of office, and am even less confident that power would be peacefully transferred to a Democratic successor in that event. However, for the sake of argument, even if we assume both of those, his successor would have a bad time discovering just how far the rot went under Trump. It's not just him signing EOs because - yes those are reversible - but it's also Trump & co. busily firing anyone throughout the federal government who isn't loyal and willing to further the agenda. In short, lots of people who would prioritise the US constitution above Trump are for the chop, but screeching loyalists even with highly dubious qualifications are in. This we have already seen, and it's only been just over seven months.

    And it may only be at the point where Trump's power is really challenged by an election that we discover really how far MAGA has corrupted things. Some circuit court judge position in Virginia may not be a newsy headline, but become incredibly important in deciding a contentious count. I don't actually know what power circuit court judges really hold in this regard, but my point is more about all these lower positions that turn out to be of great consquence being infiltrated by a very persistent and determined political death cult. This goes back to Steve Bannon's 'village by village' strategy.

    @eightieschewbaccy

    Plus targeting his enemies like Bolton. We had Trump supporters who accused Biden of weaponising the Justice department which he didn't. Meanwhile Trump is doing that and they'll avoid discussing it.

    Same shtt, different day from MAGA. That's what they've done almost from the outset, at least from the days of Trump sitting with a panel of Bill Clinton accusers.

    While I'm sceptical that Trump could get Bolton on that raid, he can make it painfully clear to Bolton and other critics that he can make their lives extraordinarily difficult and stressful. If he can make a lot of those critics leave the country, he'll regard that as a big symbolic win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought those Executive orders he signed were only valid for a certain time but eventually had to be passed by congress? And he was able to make them by claiming national emergency?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Oh sure, I agree with all that. I was probably too flippant, the bigger issue is the utter devastation of the infrastructure of government. All of which should be controlled by Congress but they are a meek, enfeebled embarrassing mess.

    I am less worried still about the elections as they remain technically a state run affair. But there is plenty of time for that to go south also.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,058 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His entire presidency is prefaced on the US being in an emergency 24/7 that only he can fix and it won't be "fixed" anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭threeball


    If you took the oath that seriously, you wouldn't contemplate giving military honours to a person who openly sought to bring down the very constitution you claim you hold so dear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    There's time for the elections to be corrupted at a state level, but also the guy certifying the election this time around won't be Mike Pence, which is more worrying.

    Whatever the plan would be, you can bet it's been thought about pretty carefully, if it's anything like the targeted attack on American democracy so far perpetrated. It won't be the chaotic, ad-hoc attempt of January, 2021, which wasn't even that far from succeeding, and that should make anyone afraid of what a little 'professionalism' would achieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I see Trump has cancelled Kamala Harris secret service protection, what a petty man



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Right before her book tour as well.

    The man is a petty little child. Karma will eventually come for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I have said it before. The man is a perfect example of everything that can possibly be wrong with a human being. A vile, pathetic, ignorant conman and sexual abuser, and this is the guy Americans voted for as their representative in the world. Says a lot about a large portion of the American people.

    Post edited by PropJoe10 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    National Guard in DC now working as gardeners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Oooooooh, so it was "the grime rate in DC is out of control". That makes more sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Suppose when you fire so many federal workers someone has to replace them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    On this occasion, I think the Bible supplies a relevant quote:

    "Faith without works is dead" 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,533 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    "And they will beat their automatic weapons into wheelbarrows?" Like swords and plowshares? Perhaps with CFTrump's concern about getting into heaven he was after a biblical look?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    America needs to tread very carefully with India, a ramshackle giant struggling to save its democracy but still a vital bulwark against Chinese expansionism. The West can’t afford to lose this domino to Xi.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,681 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's like an episode of 1980's Reeling in the Years.



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