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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,227 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    IMO this article, well not the article but the line of thinking it represents, is significant for CC because to have any prospect of victory she needs to monopolise virtually the entire left vote. And if there's any sizeable chunk of the soft left, among the mkost politically engaged but also fickle sectors of Irish society, who find her 'extremist associations' toxic as outlined by Justine McCarthy that's likely her chances sunk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    I believe he is still in the Air Corps.

    True, but the army were often accused (on ground level anyway) of having disgust and distrust of British army, sympathetic, understandably, towards the Northern Irish against Britain. I mean, they are supposed to be Irish soldiers.

    He might also be too young and not fully establishment-orientated to care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    True, but there was a time when FF were suggesting otherwise.

    Always a one way relationship though.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47179888



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    That's the problem when you believe that opinionators have some special insight on elections. The most recent opinion poll had the Don't Knows in this election at 28%. That was larger than the support of any party. There has been a succession of articles about Connolly and things like Syria. The problem for FF and FG is that those articles may have little effect. This is because many of those voting for Connolly may be ideologically opposed FF/FG. Times have changed since FF and FG got over 80% of the votes in GEs.

    A few articles in the Dublin media will probably not change any minds even if they are read. The Irish Times is very much the "establishment" viewspaper. The nightmare scenario for FG is that Humphreys, though popular within FG, may become another Gay Mitchell.

    Regards…jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I asked yesterday but don’t see anything posted. Has anyone found Jim Gavin talking about anything other than football?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    When a candidate only appeals to members of a party, the GE support %s can be a good proxy for potential support. The reason Higgins was elected in 2018 is because he was the FF/FG candidate. They endorsed him and did not run their own candidates against him as they wanted to save money for the upcoming LEs, Euros and GE. The turnout in 2018 was down 12% and less than half the electorate even bothered to vote.With McGuinness, FG had a reasonably good candidate.

    Regards…jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭pureza


    As an opinionator on boards.ie,what makes yours more valid than journalists with regard to what might harm CC ?

    Fact is the specialist antics of Wallace and Daly got an answer at the first re election opportunity they had,which doesn’t bode well for a fellow traveler like Connolly does it



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The reason he was elected in 2018 was cause he was popular, people say no need for change and he ran against cranks. The election is irrelevant. He would never have been elected in 2011 by your logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The voter turnout on 2018 was down 12% on 2011. The only reason that Higgins was elected in 2011 was because of RTE's use of the fake tweet. The last opinion poll before the election in 2011 had Gallagher at 40% with Higgins trailing on 25%. Once he uttered the word "envelope", his campaign was over. Higgins would not have been elected in 2011 without RTE's "help".

    In 2018, the turnout was 43.9%. More than half the electorate didn't even bother to vote so the popularity of Higgins is not really an argument supported by the numbers. He was the FF/FG candidate as they had endorsed him and left him run unoppsed by an FF or FG candidate.

    Regards…jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    25% is still 2.5 times the GE performance.

    You are trying to make the outcome of the Presidential election far too correlated to general election politics when its always tended to be utterly irrelevant in either direction.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,136 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    All of this is basically horse sh1t.

    Regards......everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The voter turnout in 2018 was 43.9%. Higgins self-nominated in 2018. He was endorsed by FF and FG and also Labour.

    With a candidate who is only popular within a party (Humphreys), the most recent GE support in opinion polls can be used as an indication (proxy) for potential support. The main problems for FG at the moment is the 28% Don't Knows in the most recent opinion poll ad the fact that FF and SF have not yet announced candidates. At the moment, it is just Connolly versus Humphreys as no other candidates have the necessary support.

    Regards…jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭pureza


    It’s a conspiracy theory and one of the more laughable ones

    Basically RTÉ are secretly running a political agenda and all of their staff have kept this secret

    Quite laughable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,005 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Billy Kelleher has declared. What a unique opportunity, to have a Cork President and a Cork Taoiseach. The country should be so honoured. My head is swelling with pride😋.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Is a "Scanners" moment imminent? :)

    This is going to cause problems for Martin if he had already decided on an FF endorsed candidate.

    Regards…jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Perhaps you missed the drama of the 2011 presidential election, the contract non-renewals, the media coverage of the fake tweet, the RTE enquiries, the BAI ruling and RTE settling a case taken against it by Gallagher.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1219/928417-sean-gallagher-rte/

    Regards…jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭pureza


    you should show where there is direction of editorial towards a party or candidate before peddling conspiracy theories about same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, I did miss that.

    Anything other than Dublin that he has spoken about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    yes his job as Chief of Operations for the IAA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,671 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Listening to him RTE I havnt been convinced to change my mind, pro-enterprise pro-European ok but spends more time talking about an FF contest. https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22540730/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Gavin wouldn't go near Sinn Fein, they are hated by the Irish Defence Forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭kala85


    When will the election take place and when will the date for the election be set.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The problem for Connolly is that level of don't knows.

    She has been the only candidate in the field for two months now. The electorate now knows who she is. If you are in the don't know camp, you have heard Connolly and you have decided she is not for you but you don't know who you will vote for until the others are on the pitch.

    That makes it possible that Connolly's support has peaked, especially if another credible candidate - Humphreys, Gavin, MLMD - is confirmed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Some people only see what they want to see.

    Gavin is an excellent candidate, so is Heather Humphreys.

    My fear for Humphreys is that Ireland would no longer tolerate a Protestant as President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,030 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Bertie Ahern still wants in.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0829/1530809-presidential-election/

    That's three potential FF candidates.

    Regards…jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Interesting that Gavin is apparently going for it.

    I think people are leaning into stereotypes a bit much regarding the GAA link though.

    1. There's no evidence of a homogenous GAA bloc vote in Ireland that will disregard all previous politics and opinions just to ensure a GAA-related person will get elected. If there is, where can it be seen? Several GAA figures have been elected alright, but plenty also haven't.
    2. Gavin was in charge of the Dublin team which went on the most successful run in football championship history, which obviously earns plaudits from Dubs. But anyone not from Dublin isn't really going to like him for being in charge of the team which repeatedly hammered them (in the case of my county Meath), broke their hearts (Mayo) or denied them the championship which is rightfully theirs (Kerry). I don't see this improving with time either like Micko's Kerry or Cody's Kilkenny. There was (and still is) a lot of ill will towards Dublin regarding their success. Look at any old GAA threads from the 6 in-a-row period and you'll see endless talk of how Dublin were killing the game and were only winning because they have an unfair advantage instead of respect or congratulations to Dublin.
    3. The FRC has obviously been a success too, but I don't get the impression there's a GAA-wide idolisation of Jim Gavin as a result. He's obviously being credited for it (and not unreasonably) but outside some journalists I've not heard anyone praise Jim Gavin when discussing the new rules. Even so, would that really make anyone think he should be President?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    1. Many many GAA heroes have been elected on the basis of being GAA. Record numbers voted for Jack Lynch in 1977. Managers like John O'Mahony et al were elected too.
    2. Partisanship can work both ways. If Jim Gavin is President, he can't come back to coach Dublin after Ger Brennan and bring them to further glory.
    3. Don't underestimate the popularity of the FRC.

    Beyond that, you are ignoring the role he has played as a soldier abroad, his role as a Chairperson of a Citizen's Assembly, his role as COO of the IAA.

    He has contributed far far more to Irish society in a positive way than Catherine Connolly for example.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,227 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    That makes it possible that Connolly's support has peaked

    Don't know how much store you set by the odds but she's already out to 9/2 with bet365, the bookies that seem to be tracking the race most closely, behind Humphreys and Gavin. Humphreys drifting too btw, looks like Gavin will be favourite if and when he locks down the nomination.



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