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Summer transfer window 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,998 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    where do chelsea go now? romano was saying they want both garnacho and simons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,818 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    For the first time in years seems like Monday might actually be a somewhat interesting day, a lot of deals "poised" to be completed and players wanting out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭cgorzy


    Yeah they had higher wages than both those last year but lower than the 5 I mentioned so I think the wage bill being called Massive, not by you, is inaccurate when it is only about 75% of the lowest of the 5 paying more.

    Villa are struggling to spend money and meet the UEFA rules on squad cost ratio as well as on 3 year losses rule and that is their problem in this transfer window.

    Their squad cost is not a problem in itself as they are able to pay the wages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭fitzparker


    As a Newcastle fan, Woltemade and Wissa are/definitely can be potentially better than Isak and Wilson (pound for pound, considering but injury track record)

    If we get the 2 for around £100m and get rid of the rat for £130m, it leaves a few bob for January.

    We are still 1 CM short I feel considering Willock is always injured and even previous to Tonali and Joelinton getting injured, now a CM is a must, which I think will be a loan.

    Douglas Luis would have been ideal, id take Mainoo but United will never do that business with us

    Emerson at Atalanta is the dream but that will be a next summer thing at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    Do you even realise that Brentford fans think you’re buying ‘the rat’ ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,079 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I love how some fans think certain players are loyal to their club.

    See all that badge kissing etc, just ignore it folks. Every footballer is a mercenary, and will leave the club he supposedly loves as soon as the chance of a pile more cash or to play for a more famous club comes along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,509 ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Great signing if this actually happens.
    Hopefully the next steps are Late successful bids for Mitoma off Brighton for Left wing and Ake at CB off city and let’s see what happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,079 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Some serious cash getting thrown around by the epl teams this window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭fitzparker


    Of course, but he will be our rat… every club has one.

    Isak is just a brainless one with an agent who must be 8 years old and advisors that can't change a lightbulb

    Mod Edit: Warned for player abuse



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭fitzparker


    I don't and never do think any player is loyal, especially at Newcastle which is a dump in the north east…. all roads lead as close to London as it can get, and we are the furthest away.

    but how Isak went about it, I haven't seen anything like it, strange behaviour from him and his team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭FreshG


    Villa have the worst wage bill in the league. Possibly even one of the worst in Europe.

    For every single £1 that Aston Villa earn, they are spending 0.91p on their wages. 91%!! The target for teams in UEFA competitions is 70%. If you are higher than that, you are breaking the new UEFA sustainability rules that have replaced FFP.

    That's the reason why Villa can't buy new players without selling first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,509 ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭FreshG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭cgorzy


    Villa were fined last year for having a wage ratio between 80 and 90% so I think that 91% figure is inaccurate.

    Their actual wage bill is considerably smaller than 5 clubs so not massive in the Premier League.

    Like you say it is UEFA rules that are stopping them spending in the transfer window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭BenK


    But it's their massive wage bill (relative to to their turnover) that is hampering them! It's pretty irrelevant if their wage bill is smaller than 5 other teams because you can't ignore that they're spending nearly all the money they earn on wages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Villa have a high Ratio of income vs wages spent- that's the issue. From the Deloitte report for the 2023/24 season- Villa had a ratio of 93%!! which is insane.

    For context spurs had the joint lowest with Luton at 43%- which is telling in its own way.

    They don't have the highest wage bill, Man city have the highest followed by Man utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, Villa are then 6th with spurs 7th



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,509 ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭cgorzy


    I think saying a club’s wage bill, not their squad cost ratio, is massive when it is not top 5 in the league is misleading.

    Manchester City have a massive wage bill compared to Villa, almost double.

    Villa have had a squad cost ratio to turnover that is higher than allowed under UEFA rules and that is stopping them spending in this transfer window, no argument there.

    Has the spend on wages over the last few years hampered them as a club? I’d say probably not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,145 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It's all relative though, isn't it? Like, in real world terms all premier league clubs wage bills are massive. So then it depends on the context you're choosing for comparison - and it's totally fair enough to look at it in comparison to the other clubs, but I think it's equally fair enough to look at it in comparison to total costs (and the latter is arguably more relevant, as that's the one that determines if it actually matters or not). There's no harm in a huge wage bill if you can pay for it.

    As with most of the PSR stuff, it's there to protect clubs BEFORE things go wrong. As you say, they've gotten by with almost every cent the club makes going to wages, but that's obviously not sustainable - one unforeseen hiccup and you're in trouble. For absolutely all other operating and maintenance costs to have to fit in under 10% of your finances is just nuts.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    How does one compete with and break up the top teams without spending the money the top teams have? Villa are only around 6th or 7th in the table in terms of what they spend and have the backing for this to be easily sustainable (wealthy owners etc) and yet it’s against the rules. If you can’t compete like this it’s very hard to be able to grow your revenue or brand to the level where you won’t be breaking those rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭FreshG


    The most obvious answer is through developing academy players, and a really smart and effective recruitment policy.

    Villa had 2 players that fit into these categories and sold them recently in Jacob Ramsey & Jon Dhuran. Both sold in order to fund players who were not up to it and/or were on massive wages. It's not smart recruitment.

    It's very obvious that Newcastle wanted a striker this summer. It's also very obvious that Chelsea want to sell Jackson. You could have offered Watkins to Newcastle, a supposedly he was offered around in January anyways, and brought in Jackson. All for a PSR profit and probably around the same wages, possibly lower. You could even have kicked the Jackson payment down the line with a loan & obligation to buy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭cgorzy


    Worth remembering with Villa that it is a club where finances really did go wrong, they couldn’t pay their tax bill until the protection came, from the current owners. Club was bought, in the Championship, for the price of Evann Guessand, club revenue and investment has brought them to where they are now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,540 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It can be done but PSR makes it very difficult. While I don't wholly agree with PSR, I think private wealthy owners should be able to invest their own money to a degree. The you have to look at Everton, the last owner ran that club into the ground with reckless spending, only for PSR to rein him in it, it could of been worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Talisman


    The financial rules mean that clubs have to get things right off of the pitch in order to match their ambition for the team. The club the owners need to increase the match day revenue and the best way to do that is to increase the stadium capacity of Villa Park. Earlier this year there was an announcement of plans to increase the capacity of the North Stand by 7,000 and bring the capacity of Villa Park up to 50,000 by 2027.

    That will still leave them trailing behind Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City, Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton and West Ham in terms of potential match day revenue. Given the size of the Aston Villa supporter base they could easily fill a 60,000 stadium for every game.

    The Liverpool owners have been massive supporters of PSR and have made the club competitive while following the rules. The club was on the brink of administration when FSG took ownership in 2010, they immediately set about growing the commercial side of the club and it wasn't until the appointment of Klopp in 2015 that they began to be competitive in a sustainable way on the pitch. That brought more sponsorship money into the club to reinvest in the team.

    Planning issues delayed the expansion of Anfield for years. In 2016 the capacity was increased from 45,000 to 54,000. Objections delayed the planned further expansion to 58,000 and permission for those plans expired in 2019. In 2021, the redevelopment of the Anfield Road End began and the completion was delayed until 2024 due to the original contractor going into administration. It took almost 15 years to increase the capacity of Anfield by roughly 16,500 seats.

    If the Aston Villa owners want to develop the club it will take time to do so, there isn't a quick fix. The alternative is to follow the Chelsea route, skirt the limits of the rules and accept whatever punishment comes as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I actually think they are building towards it now, continous years in Europe, a good coach etc what they need to do going forward is shrewd signings from good scouting on lower wages while moving on older players on higher wages.

    The owners could also invest in improving revenue like upgrading Villa Park (which I believe is in process, correct me if I'm wrong) upgrade youth facilities etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,901 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I think there’ll always be a finance imbalance to an extent and there’s no real way around it. There isn’t a hope of clubs agreeing to things like spending or wage caps because relegation exists. None of them are would vote for a situation that increases the risk of relegation from the league.

    You also can’t go completely the other way either as that would make a mockery of the competition. Nation states would make the imbalance more than they already have, and teams would go bust trying to catch up.

    FSR is the compromise and it’s probably the best that could be hoped for. Teams spending within their means keeps things kind of even - or at least even between groups of teams. It also protects owners from going mad trying to break into the CL and loading the club with debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,540 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    This.

    PSR encourages investment into clubs infrastructure, and slow growth, that sustainable increased spending comes with it. Making the club stronger for the long term not to fill a billionaires ego with trophies.

    Your not going to become Liverpool or United over a couple seasons.

    Its far from perfect and yes it favours the established sides, but I'm not sure how else you can safeguard clubs. Billionaires largely don't care if the club is still there in 10 years or more.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Your all right in terms of how a club has to proceed to make the step up but PSR is obviously stacked in favor of those already enjoying big revenue streams. The man in charge of Man Utd's sporting opperation will tell everyone the club has been run terribly and was almost broke but they can still spend more than 200m this summer while bringing in very little. Then you look at what Arsenal, Liverpool and co are spending this summer before you even talk about the likes of City and surely the limitations from PSR and the like are just leading to a wider and wider gap emerging (despite clubs like Utd and Spurs doing everything in their power to mess up their own advantages in recent years).

    I and I'd imagine many others would think swapping Watkins for Jackson would make us worse (or at least not better) on the pitch and although it may be a good move in terms of PSR we need to be succesful on the pitch, qualify for Europe etc in order to catch the other teams.

    I know I am just having a moan but it is annoying to see how Man Utd, Chelsea and co spend their money and then see Villa essentially forced into a situation where we have to sell Duran, Diaby, both Ramsey brothers (there is a third one on the way in the academy), Douglas Luiz etc without really bringing in proper replacements and yet still be expecting to compete with these teams so that we don't have to keep selling players like these going forward.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,265 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Maybe Villa should concentrate on increasing the amount of money they make by building a new stadium and or increasing commercial activity?
    Like spurs for instance.



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