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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,239 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I would suggest that you are no one to judge "snarky post" my friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,693 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    An awful lot of similarities in how the Nazis and now Israel treat people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    They wouldn't have a choice in the matter, unless they wanted to attack UN Peacekeepers and make their situation worse.

    Let me remind you that Gaza is not Israeli land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,693 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    That seems to be happening for awhile now. Israel has reached pariah status many months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,693 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why is this even a discussion?

    The US will veto any attempt to put UN peacekeepers into Gaza.

    Higgins showing his sad naivety by even suggesting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Don't mention sanctions imposed, of course of which Israel has 0 for it's televised crimes against humanity, nevermind the preceeding 70 years. Maybe the head choppers have been reduced a bit seen as they are a good bunch of lads now.

    Strange thing is only one of them has attacked another country in 40 years and Israel does about 6 a month when they are on form.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    According to President Higgins:

    "I am personally in favor of the secretary-general of the UN using Chapter Seven procedure, by which, whether or not the Security Council agrees, and even if there's a blockage, the right exists for the secretary-general to seek to put together an international defense of a corridor," 

    Therefore, and if accurate, a US veto would be meaningless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭Randycove


    It is irrelevant to Israel if Gaza is theirs or not. If they want to stop aid trucks getting through they will. They could just park a couple of tanks in the way and sit there. No need to open fire on UN soldiers at all.

    If the UN are going to do it, it will take some serious firepower to back it up, Israel need to be under no illusion that if they do park their tank in the way, it will be moved for them. Unless someone is prepared to do that, to make a big decision that it could get really really nasty, it is little more than virtue signalling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Russia and China would be even more scared of that precedent than the US, so it ain't gonna happen. As I said already, it exposes Higgins' understanding of the realpolitik of international relations as being at the level of a student with a Che Guevara cap and a Palestinian scarf.

    https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/chapter-7

    You might explain to me what actions the Secretary-General can take under Chapter 7. As I read it, the Secretary General would be in breach of international law if he did as Higgins asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Yes, it would need to be backed by firepower. Yes, Israel need to be under no illusion that if they do park their tank in the way, it will be moved for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭Randycove


    and for me, this is where Higgins is being hypocritical. Not long back he was warning about the dangers of militarisation and is quite clearly against an increase to the paltry budget our armed forces get, yet he wants young men and women to go out and put themselves in harms way. It’s all well and good being a pacifist, but if you are you can’t lecture others on doing nothing when someone bas does bad things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    No, It's not hypocritical for a pacifist to support the United Nations sending an international force to break a genocidal siege to provide humanitarian assistance to a starving population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,693 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Stop digging. You're not doing yourself any favours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭Randycove


    then he needs to allow them the tools to do the job and stop with the pacifist bullshit.
    look, it’s all irrelevant anyway, because without the US, the rest of the world simply doesn’t have the ability to scare Israel. If and when aid does get through, it will be because either Israel has completely flattened Gaza and or Trump has caved in and told Israel to let the truck roll. It is an awful reality, but a reality it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Not a great person to see coming out of the White house, should be sat in a cell in the Hague. One of the instigators of the WMD fable that set off the events that turned the middle east into chaos resulting in the death and destructions of millions.

    Sounds like he has partnered up with Mr. Kushner who also invested into a real estate fund in Israel prior to this mess, also some company he is involved in drew up plans for redevelopment in Gaza.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Ah Brendan me old China - apologies. You're so right.

    I'm so glad you're my bezzie and keeping me and the rest of the gaggle in check. Did you ever apply to be a mod? You'd be great.

    By the way, do you have an opinion on the UN manning a humanitarian aid corridor into Gaza to prevent the Gaza Genocide?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Pro-Israelis don't do facts - its very confusing for them. Just like the IDF and the Israeli Govt. Hasbara is all they have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ash Sarkar on Newsnight last night said he is corrupt and dodgy and primarily concerns himself these days with making big money - says she wouldn't trust him with a barge pole on Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems Israel has gotten very comfortable with committing Genocide and just does not want to stop. And it couldn't care less about the hostages - but then it hasn't for over a year now. Proof? the deal on the table is one that Israel already agreed to some time back before then promptly pulled the plug on it.


    Egyptian Foreign Minister Badr Abdelatty and his Qatari counterpart, Mohammed al-Thani, said in a statement that mediation efforts were "encountering resistance and delay from Israel regarding the cease-fire proposal," adding that "the Palestinian displacement project will not happen under any pretext." Al-Thani also called on the international community to "press Israel to stop the war."


    "It's too early to say whether Netanyahu will now act resolutely to reach a deal or once again drag his feet, preferring to expand the war and prevent any shakeups of his government.

    But some in the government think he hasn't yet slammed the door on any chance of moving forward with a partial deal in some form. As evidence, they note that he has yet to ask the ministers to vote against a partial deal, and has thereby avoided torpedoing the understandings the mediators have reached to date.

    Moreover, he has refrained from doing so even though he has said publicly that the proposal for a partial deal, which he supported until recently, is no longer relevant despite Hamas' positive response to it"

    Jonathan Lis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You have jumped the gun on that one. There is no provision in Chapter 7 that allows for Higgins' proposal, it is just a stupid naive idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Pope Leo is now sticking the boot into Israel and 500 UN staff call for Israel's campaign to be described as the Gaza Genocide.

    • Over 500 UN staff members at the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) Volker Turk have asked him to explicitly describe the Gaza war as an unfolding genocide, according to a letter seen by Reuters.
    • Pope Leo XIV called for an immediate cease-fire in Gaza and demanded that Israel stop the "collective punishment" and forced displacement of Palestinians in Gaza.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    recall the double-tap hospital executions the other day? Seems it was actually a triple-tap:


    CNN reported that video footage showed that the second IDF strike on Gaza's Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis on Monday was in fact two back-to-back strikes, which hit a group of rescue workers and other journalists who came to the scene following the first strike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Remember all the posts here on the excruciating pains the IDF went to minimise civilian casualties? And when challenged they defended it to the hilt? I do.

    "The IDF issued a warning on Wednesday to residents of Gaza City on the social media platform X ahead of Israel's planned operation to take control of the city… issuing a map showing 19 zones outlined in blue to which people in Gaza City are to go, in the vicinity of the refugee camps in the central Strip, and in the Muwasi area of dunes in the south.

    But a closer inspection of the map, with the help of two mapping specialists, Adi Ben-Nun of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and Prof. Yaakov Garb from Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, shows that several of these areas have been designated by the IDF as places where civilians would be in danger"

    Nir Hasson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Instead of tirelessly telling us how other peoples proposals and ideas can't work, can you you come up with an idea of your own that would? One that doesn't just parrot Nuttyahoo and his lies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,369 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like a typical real estate kind of guy to go alongside Witcoff and Trump.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems Ben-Gvir has taken a leaf out of the IDF's book on making sure no-one reports on atrocities. Hardly surprising from a convicted terrorist of course.

    But if I were a protester, I'd think twice and go buy myself a bullet proof vest (obviously without the word "Press" written on it).


    National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir requested approval from Israel's attorney general for a "policy document" he drafted aimed at significantly restricting the right to demonstrate, asking that the police not to allow protesters to block roads during demonstrations, including "access routes to hospitals, emergency routes, routes to Ben Gurion Airport, and main roads – national, regional, or highways."

    Ben-Gvir warned that if the attorney general did not respond to him on the issue "within five days, the policy will go into effect,"which would coincide with the mass demonstrations calling for a hostage deal and cease-fire planned for next Wednesday near the Prime Minister's Residence in Jerusalem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Settlers gonna settle


    Israeli settlers installed four prefab mobile homes next to the Palestinian village of Umm al-Kheir, where an Israeli settler shot and killed Palestinian activist Awdah Hathaleen last month. According to the master plan of the area, the site is considered part of the nearby settlement of Carmel, but it lies beyond the settlement's perimeter fence and is not near the settlement's other homes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Why would they?

    Alleged War criminal #1 (at large) is driving the Genocide with a precision and accuracy unseen before. His ideas are perfection. They can't be improved upon.

    But they do have to stifle any alternative of course, or the final solution could be in jeopardy.



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