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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Ah, there he is. Glad you picked on one point in the entire post to jump on. Show me again how Russia is making its mighty tank capacity count?? UAF frontline positions being overrun everywhere? Russian infantry cloaked by the might iron tanks during frontal assaults??

    As I said, we can see the situation on the ground pretty clearly with our own eyes thanks to 21st century reporting. You attaching images every 10 days or so, zoomed in x 1,000,000,0000,000, to show a couple of fields of grain on the brink of being obliterated by the might of the Russian armed forces isn't convincing many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Some guy

    I don't think he is a vatnik

    Nice try Bricky…. Would you not just admit that you follow ‘some guy’? Who’s a fellow Vatnik…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,461 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    i doubt Nato is going to be overly concerned that Russia is producing platforms that were obsolete during the 1st Gulf War.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,714 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Putin's 3 day invasion: Day 1,281

    Bricky's 1 week encirclement: Week 3



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    To be fair he ain’t wrong about there being an encirclement

    … an encirclement of Russians in multiple cauldrons 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Screenshot_2025-08-28-15-35-45-803_com.android.chrome-edit.jpg

    How terrible /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Polls… the refuge of straw-clutchers.

    Who was polled? When were they polled? Where were they polled? What were the options on the poll? What were the questions?

    Give me any outcome you want to generate a headline for, and I can run a poll survey that will tell you what you want to hear.

    Speaking of polls… any from the free-to-speak-their-minds Russians on Putin's approval rating? Their views on the SMO? Thoughts on the Russian economy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Wait, are you suggesting that Putin went to war to stop Ukraine joining NATO, the same NATO whose Article 5 you're now dismissing as not much of a protection?

    And if you want to talk about practical realities, should we wait a few months to start the negotiations and see how Russia's fuel and economic situation is then? Or the practical reality that while Russia's economy is tanking, and Ukraine is fighting with one hand tied behind its back, Russia with China, North Korea and Iran standing behind it can't make more than a dent in the Ukrainian defensive lines?

    Because it's abundantly clear that you have no issue with the fact that Putin's demands bear no connection to morality or good conscience. In other words, no interest in "just stopping the killing" or "just want an end to the war".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭8mv


    In my time spent living in pre-Putin Russia I made a lot of good friends and embraced the culture and lifestyle. I loved the history and the soviet architecture. We spent a lot of our free time visiting other towns and cities and brought our young daughter to puppet shows, circus and all sorts of theatre – we would have been regular customers of the Detsky Mir shop on Lubyanka so recently in the news. We brought our families over for visits and proudly escorted them around the highlights of Moscow and St. Petersburg. I still listen to Russian music on a regular basis whether it be recognised classics like Tchaikovsky or Shostakovich, or contemporary bands of the time like Aquarium (folk-rock) or DDT (I’d liken them to NIN, maybe) So I don’t subscribe to the idea that all things Russian are toxic. But I cannot for the **** life of me understand how anybody with a working moral compass could support them as the aggressors in this war. Not just support, but enthusiastically spread Russian propaganda and gleefully report on any perceived Ukrainian setbacks and happy to cheerlead for a military that deliberately targets civilians. Any normal person would be ashamed. Is it political - a hatred of "The West"? A belief in a kind of Russian Manifest Destiny? Or simply childish contrarianism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,800 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I'll go with childish contrarianism Bob.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yeah I'll also go with childish (and very bitter) contrarianism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,583 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Ukrainian military flight just took off from Shannon a short time ago. Anyone know if there's a meeting happening?

    https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=50815f



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    "In almost every successfully negotiated peace in history, a ceasefire preceeds the negotiations."

    No, that is one of those inventions people make up to dodge out of real negotiations. The US negotiated with North Vietnam beginning in 1968 and only signed the terms of its withdrawal from the war in 1973. The war continued throughout those 5 years of talks. The US also negotiated its withdrawal from Afghanistan with the Taliban with the conflict continuing throughout.

    Even in this conflict, Ukraine and Russia negotiated at Istanbul in 2022, and again earlier this year in 2025, while the conflict continued.

    There is absolutely no requirement for there to be a ceasefire for negotiations to happen. The never has been in all of history. It is very clear Zelensky has absolutely no intention of agreeing to even a single point on any of the Russian terms - he re-iterated this at his recent Independence Day speech. And the Russians have no incentive to grant a ceasefire until their terms are met as they think they are winning the conflict.

    Think of it this way - if Ukraine was winning the war, and Russia was calling for an unconditional ceasefire, would NATO grant it? No, of course not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    This is it in a nutshell. There's much to admire about Russia, Russians as well as the republics and former Soviet states. The idea that everyone in Russia is some kind of alcoholic, amoral, Putin cheerleader is clearly a nonsense. You only have to look at how he treats his political opponents and journalists critical of him to understand what kind of s**thole he's now forced them to live in. Stick your head above the parapet and he'll have it taken off. His day will come, though, when just the right critical mass exists for people to say 'no more'.

    Thankfully he seems to have fallen into the same trap as every other dictator in alienating, persecuting or driving away a huge number of the creative, intellectual and scientific geniuses that the nation produced. Hence the clusterf**k of an effort they are making at winning a war against a much smaller country.

    And you're dead right to call out the nonsense of those who seem to make a point of supporting Russia as some kind of two-fingers to 'the West'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


    Why would NATO need to grant or approve anything? Ridiculous statement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Because Sand thinks Russia is fighting NATO (an old russian propaganda trope).

    Post edited by mike_cork on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,844 ✭✭✭mulbot


    NATO don't have a say in what way Ukraine goes about this situation!?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The article makes a few correct points, but misses a few things as well.

    It is certainly not wrong that we have a procurement and manufacturing issue. Being a Western democracy, we have so many checks and balances in the system that I have long believed that we are better off accepting the risk of some corruption in order to save money and time. General Milley hit the headlines a few years ago when he complained that we were spending way too much time and money to select a pistol.
    https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2016/03/28/army-chief-you-want-a-new-pistol-send-me-to-cabela-s-with-17-million/

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    We want peacetime regulations, you get peacetime acquisitions timelines. Even during WW2, there was political controversy over the mechanism that the military used to develop and procure equipment. Interwar processes were thrown out, and issues like favouring big contractors over small businesses caused Congressmen to complain. The military didn't care. They needed equipment, they needed it now, and the economy had better figure itself out.

    The process is being changed. From last week.

    https://breakingdefense.com/2025/08/pentagon-terminating-jcids-process-as-part-of-larger-acquisition-reform-memo/

    In terms of mass production of UAS for the US military, Army Futures Command held a panel last year specifically on point. Vertex is a recurring brainstorming session linking military and industry. Timestamped to about 2:35.

    There are two parts to the problem. The first is simply that China can make the things cheaper than the US can. Though that applies for almost everything China makes. The second is the rate of generational change. To equip something the size of the US military will take time. Even once the decision to hit the 'manufacture this' button is made, every few months there seems to be a generational change in the unmanned sphere. It's not a problem for Ukraine or Russia, their drones are being expended as fast as they can be produced, but the US would end up with a stockpile of stuff which would be obsolete almost immediately upon completion of delivery. Believe it or not, even China has this problem. So another part of the problem is figuring out how to 'future-proof' a design.

    Fortunately, to a point, this isn't much of a problem anyway. The article correctly observes that the funding is going to counter-UAS. The military has fielding well in hand of the first generation of air defense (See M-LIDS, MADIS, APKWS, Sgt Stout) with multiple additional capabilities coming in the relatively near future. They're better off than many countries. The US military does not really need drones on the same scale as Ukraine to accomplish its mission, there is likely no better conventional warfighting force on the planet and it has assets and capabilities do accomplish many of the same effects which neither Russia nor Ukraine has. What it does need to do is deny adversaries the ability to use their drones to asymmetrically address the conventional force imbalance. In the worst case scenario, if the US has no new drones, and the opposition's drones are mitigated, then it's back to being a 'traditional' war. Of course, the US does have an offensive drone program, both for ISR and offensive effects, but they are going to be an enhancement to US capabilities, not a primary force in and of themselves. As such, there is less of a priority on them, and there is only so much in the budget.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I'm absolutely loving all the Vatniks waking up at once here.

    Gotta be the refineries getting rocked almost every odd night right?

    Must be onto a good thing so. Happy days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well the last thing we need now is dementia. He is a dangerous narcissist as it is.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭zv2


    Hang on a minute. The text says "NATO’s Rutte reveals Russia now churns out 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armored vehicles, and 200 Iskanders in 3 months—"

    But Rutte says 1500 tanks* etc, THIS YEAR. Ukraine says they are destroying 3000 tanks per year on average so they are easily destroying them as they come off the production line.

    *and twice as many armored fighting vehicles.

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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭rogber


    Absolutely vile attack by the Russian scum today and all we get from Europe is the usual outrage and strongly worded statements. Enough words, more actions, more weapons and hit Russia much harder is the only answer to this, because it's clear the Americans couldn't give a damn either way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Ukraine says lots of things, does not mean they are correct. Like only 45K of soldiers have died during the entire conflict but somehow it's million man army now consists of 70,000 women, some whom are crouching sat in trenches, being bombarded while being pregnant. Sounds like a sure fire way to understand the current situation.

    Not really something the finance minister of the country should feel proud about telling the world.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Ukraine says lots of things, does not mean they are correct.

    You'd think that would give you in particular something in common to empathize with. Given your recent Pokrovsk elastic band fiasco.

    How is that situation by the way? Just looking for an update or an admission there buddy.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Imagine that a society that treats half its population as equals and not as subhumans to be raped and abused by drunkards with life expectancy less than subsaharan males



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭8mv


    So now the mighty Russian armed forces are being held at bay by 70,000 pregnant women? Is this post something you think reflects well on you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭zv2


    @brickster69 "Ukraine says lots of things, does not mean they are correct"

    Even if they destroyed half as many it would still be 1500, as many as Russia produces in the same time period. So they would still be destroying them as they come off the production line, which means, sadly, that we in Europe won't get a chance to destroy any. Ah well…

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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