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Dublin - BusConnects

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,471 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Yes, an indictment of our political system that favours short termism instead of hard decisions when the economy goes south. Capital spending is the easy cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    And astoundingly we still DO NOT KNOW which version of the scheme is being built after 6 years of planning and one month to go till construction. Mind boggling.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Well the Clontarf to City Center Cycle project was basically turned into a BusConnects project.

    It ended with many of the elements, bus stop design, cycle lanes behind stops, etc. that will go into the other BusConnects projects.

    And of course there have been heavy rail projects going on down in Cork and other parts of the country.

    But I totally get what you are saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    There's an information day on the scheme today in the ballyfermot civic centre today. I doubt that it'll be new information but if it is I would hope they'll update the website.

    Things we dont know yet include, what version of the scheme is to be built and a construction programme with associated diversions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,471 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Is it true they basically disfigured a simple and sensible proposed layout for a few car parking spaces for a church?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    The reason for the disfigurement is anyone's guess at this stage of the game but crucially they have also eliminated a significant section of buslane from the scheme and will therefore not reach the time savings described in their business case which undermines the entrie project.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Will anyone be going to the information event today or go to the one last week?

    It's the last week of August and we don't know what version of the scheme is being built in September or when work will actually start. Seems like yet another case of the NTA treating the public like mushrooms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Bsharp


    Site investigation works to start next month to inform detailed design. Main works seemed to be Dec/Jan starting at two locations along the corridor, Liffey valley SC and a roughly half way point.

    Drawings on display had the revised set up for ballyfermot so assume they're going for that. There was a label on it saying interim scheme.

    Above is what a colleague told me who went. he was on his way home so didn't hang around; there were no snacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Interesting, I wonder will the courts try to stop it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,167 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Nothing done, loads to do…..



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Courts won't do anything unless someone brings a JR.

    Normally there's an 8 week window to bring a JR, bit I'm not sure that this would apply in this case, as you could legitimately say that the changes weren't clearly advertised, and thus you couldn't have known when the decision in question was.

    Who'd launch the case? One of the cycling groups might, as might Dublin commuter coalition, but I doubt that there's many residents around there that would overly complain about the changes, to be honest. If people feel strongly about this, then you should email those groups and ask them will they take a case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭Thunder87


    Is it even possible to apply for a JR here considering they're seemingly just ignoring the planning process entirely? Would it not be an example of unauthorised development and therefore council responsibility to enforce?

    No idea tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Any legal action taken wouldn't be a JR so those rules aren't applicable. It wouldn't be challenging the planning approval, the opposite in fact, it would be looking to enforce what was approved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Lots of sections of Cork BusConnects are just "disappeared" now. They whittled down most of the corridors to almost nothing at all. BUT, they are pushing ahead with many of the core elements of what was "Bus Connects" and are well in the ground too, though it's carefully not being advertised as such. They're instead bringing them through local authority processes as creeping incremental "improvements" rather than big flashy "BUSCONNECTS" schemes.

    On route A for instance in "busconnects" it's whittled down to almost nothing at all but a new bus terminus is almost done, a new routing is apparently open and almost ready for use. I think it's a smart move tbh.

    Edit: just to add that even what's left of Corridor A is now out of date - another new local authority scheme has just gone through to cover more than half of the tiny piece that remained. So Cork Bus Connects really is happening, albeit by taking each of the little bits of bus connects out of bus connects and pushing them through the local part8/section38/etc processes.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The thing is the NTA don't have legal authority over public transport in Cork, they only have that authority in the Greater Dublin Area, per the legislation that created the NTA.

    Outside of the GDA they can only advise, the actual authority continues to be with each local authority, which is why you seem them much more going through local planning.

    As an aside, of course the NTA nationally licenses all buses and contracts all PSO services and also has national responsibility for ticketing, so of course they have lots of power even in Cork, but when it comes to the infrastructure side, there is much more local council involvement.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    “Site investigation works to start next month to inform detailed design. Main works seemed to be Dec/Jan”
    That fails a basic sanity check. The tender was awarded and we were told in July that construction was starting in September. What do you mean, “inform detail design”? Surely design has been finished ages ago? Why would they only be starting in December? They’re supposed to be starting in a week or two.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Most likely need to check for pipes, cables, etc. under the road and adjust accordingly.

    Same happened with the Clontarf "cycle" scheme. Of course you start with the actual agreed design and you will have maps and info on where all the utilities are, but once you actually get into it, you quickly find the reality of what is under ground can be quiet different to the official plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,498 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I think it's just worded poorly. "To inform detailed design" makes it sound as though the detailed design is incomplete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    It is a design-build contract. This is fairly common in infrastructure projects. A project is tendered on the basis of a preliminary or specimen design and the winning tenderer does the detailed design and construction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Bsharp


    yep it's a design and build contract based off a specimen design (preliminary).

    Some elements will be really straight forward to bring to detailed design. Others like utilities diversions or traffic signal junctions layouts will take more time as the contractor proofs (site investigation works like slit trenches) what's in the ground first to inform their final design for construction. It adds a few months now, but can help avoid alot of delays/disruption on site during Main works.



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