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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Randycove


    the Star of David is a symbol that represents Judaism in general. It also forms part of the Israeli flag. It is a very different to the swastika and your statement, imho, crosses over to anti semitism. If some claimed that post 9/11, or the ISIS rampage, that the star and crescent is the new swastika, we would call that anti Islamic, so we should be careful with the Star of David.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If there is a 'war' on (copyright all Zionist bots), then surely all Israeli journalists who support the IDF are now legitimate targets for assassination in this crazed world they have created for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭dannyo666


    I think the "Greater Israel’ map/uniform patch insignia/picture/drawing whatever you wanna call it would be more representative tbh than the star of David…..I see where he's coming from though to an extent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,933 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    You are missing the point.

    Russia does make claims that is never targets civilians. For instance: https://www.reuters.com/article/business/energy/russia-does-not-intentionally-target-civilians-in-ukraine-says-lavrov-idUSS8N36Z0BQ/

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov denied on Friday that Russia's armed forces intentionally attacked civilian targets in Ukraine, saying they only targeted military infrastructure or other military targets.

    Yet, if the BBC reports on Russian attacks that kills Ukrainian civilians, such as here: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy908n4vr0jo

    They do not feel the need to add any caveat about how the Russian military insists it only attacks military targets.

    The point being made is that they do add this caveat in the case of IDF attacks, but not Russian attacks. One wonders why…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Oh they do, but it's rarely reported by the BBC. You will hear the Russian narrative - which is eerily simliar to the Israeli playbook- we don't intentionally target civilians - in other media outlets . As the poster pointed out you won't hear a BBC news presenter when interviewing someone critical of Russia interjecting with "Russia would say it doesn't target civilians deliberately", but you will regularly hear them say the following: That Israel would say it doesn't target civilians. We know why there is a difference because Israel is designated an ally, and Russia is the clearly defined bad guy, so no qualifiers/ caveats needed

    Post edited by nacho libre on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,207 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One could understand why they might have been doing this in the weeks after October 7th, but it seems inexplicable that they are doing it now. The ICC are investigating Israel for genocide, there is an arrest warrant out for Netanyahu, they have been officially accused of deliberately causing a famine etc. The need to add 'Israel would say….' to current news reports or interviews is off the wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Randycove


    in order to make that comparison, you would need to compare reports for the same event.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c207gz7key6o

    The Russian military did not respond to the BBC’s questions about the allegations. Since its full-scale invasion in February 2022, Russia has consistently denied deliberately targeting civilians.

    Thirteen killed in wave of Russian attacks across Ukraine https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy908n4vr0jo

    The Russian defence ministry said on Friday its military had targeted Ukrainian army reserve units with long-range strikes using high-precision weapons, according to a report by the state-owned RIA news agency. 

    Moscow has previously said it does not deliberately target civilians, but thousands have been injured and killed across Ukraine since Russia's invasion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,477 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


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    Nobody tell the IDF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Indeed, if the BBC were to be neutral as they claim, they would preface reports of what Israel are doing with the 'ongoing genocide investigation by the ICJ' and 'members of the Israeli government including Netanyahu are wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes'. Hell will freeze over when the BBC and others preface their reports with those facts. This would demolish their credibility for keep using the 'Israel says…' and 'according to Israel…' nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Randycove


    They would also need to preface any report about October 7th etc etc.
    they have to quote what the Israeli state say, because it is part of the story.
    this was brilliant by the beeb.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c9wgq9vv51do



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Maybe just a coincidence i don't know, but today Australia expelled the Iranian ambassador and all the staff as well as labelling the army as a terrorist group for carrying out antisemitism. It was the first explulsion of an ambassador since WW2

    They suspect they were involved in directing a couple of arson attacks one which a synagogue door was set on fire and a building set on fire.

    Last week Bibi sent a letter demanding Australia crackdown on Antisemitism.

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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,745 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    but today Australia expelled the Iranian ambassador and all the staff as well as labelling the army as a terrorist group for carrying out antisemitism

    No, they've given them 7 days to leave, and its only the ambassador and 3 other officials

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/26/iran-vows-reciprocal-action-after-australia-expels-ambassador

    They suspect they were involved in directing a couple of arson attacks 

    no, the Australian prime minister stressed that there were no links between the ambassador and the attacks

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9d085n75q3o

    as labelling the army as a terrorist group for carrying out antisemitism

    well, not exactly. The IRGC is only a part of the Iranian armed forces and is actually separate from the Iranian Army (AJA). Australia hasnt labelled the Iranian Army as a terrorist group.

    Australia follow Lithuania, Canada, USA, Israel, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia all list IRGC as a terrorist group, and the UK and EU are currently compiling laws to do the same.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Army



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,933 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    they have to quote what the Israeli state say, because it is part of the story.

    They don't though. The vast majority of armies/forces in battles ave denied/would deny that they deliberately targeting civilians (no matter how hard to believe such a denial might be). It's the default understanding.

    In the absence of a caveat saying that the Israeli govt/IDF denies doing so, the reader is not going to interpret it to mean that the govt/IDF does not deny doing so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Randycove


    surely not doing so would leave them open to claims of bias?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Very weak from the leader of a country. Did you see the letter, i would of hoped for a "go **** yourself you scumbag and keep your nose out of our business you sick ****" myself by return post.

    Imagine tasking another leader what to do and a deadline to carry it out. The arrogance of the man is incredible, who does he think he is ?

    bibi.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Maybe they should change the star on their flag to something like this - please dont click the attachment if you are easily offended - Its a tongue in cheek reply.

    How about the letter Z - That was called the new swastika when Russia invaded Ukraine.

    The difference with 9/11 is that those were just a few planes blown up - roughly 3000 deaths versus almost 70,000 in Gaza and the perpetrators didnt bomb kids, ciivlians or try starve them to death. They didnt try to wipe out a country / with hold humanitarian aid. Big difference between 9/11 and whats happening in Gaza in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Latest straps from Haaretz:

    Recall all the posts about Hamas not wanting a ceasefire? I do.

    Anger against the Israeli govt. continues to build.

    Clergy and nuns in Gaza city will not leave - they'll look after the needy. They'd better remain hidden - the IDF snipers have a penchant for nuns.


    Qatar's Foreign Ministry said Israel does not want to comment on the "serious and balanced" cease-fire proposal accepted by Hamas last week, adding that this was despite it being identical to a proposal that Israel had previously agreed to.

    • Released hostage Gadi Mozes told Israel's Army Radio that the importance of Tuesday's protests "cannot be overstated. The [security] cabinet meeting is simply illusory. I am not willing to sacrifice anyone on the altar of the messianic ambition of destroying Hamas."

    Former IDF chief and opposition lawmaker Gadi Eisenkot told Israel's public broadcaster that Netanyahu's "government is running away from its responsibility and is not worthy of Gal [Eisenkot's son, who was killed fighting in Gaza during the war]… not worthy of many combat soldiers and, unfortunately, also the hostages, who lost their lives because of cowardice, political hesitation, and the political and ideological considerations."

    Clergy and nuns from two Gaza City churches have decided to stay in their compounds to care for Palestinians seeking shelter ahead of a possible IDF occupation of the city, the Greek Orthodox and Latin Patriarchates of Jerusalem said, adding that many of those taking refuge "are weakened and malnourished," and trying to flee south would be "nothing less than a death sentence."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A poignant opinion piece on the Nobel peace prize - I'd add journalists to the list.


    "Trump does know how to say 'no' to his Israeli protégé.

    He blocked Netanyahu's attempts to topple the regime in Iran and restrained him in Syria and Lebanon.

    But the unconditional backing he has given to Israel's war of destruction against the Palestinians casts an indelible stain on his peacemaker persona.

    Instead of yielding to White House lobbying, the Nobel Peace Prize Committee should award the prize this year to the doctors, both Palestinian and international, who, even under Israeli bombardment, are struggling under impossible conditions to save starving children, amputees, and the shattered bodies of Gaza. 

    They are the true heroes of peace"

    Aluf Benn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    This in the main doesn't seem to bother them when talking about Russia's war in Ukraine. They rarely feel the need to put in a caveat that Russia would deny it deliberately targets civilians. A prime example is Martine Croxall when interviewing guests critical of Israel , she will always remind viewers that Israel would say it's not intentionally targeting Civilians. I have never heard her interrupt someone critical of Russia to report what Russia has to say on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,933 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I don't think so.

    Imagine an imaginary war between Spain and Portugal, with the Spanish accusing the Portuguese of targetting civilians.

    A news report on that subject that didn't include a caveat about the Portuguese position that it didn't target civilians wouldn't lead me to conclude that therefore Portugal had a position of targeting civilians.

    Is that the conclusion you'd draw from such an absence of a caveat?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    https://archive.ph/E0Slp

    Well this is really confirming what we already know. It's no wonder many holocaust surviors are utterly distraught about it all. This article indicates the Israeli spokesmen and women who speak to the international media know its all bs. Which I suspect, the pro Israeli posters here know well too, but they wil continue with the gaslighting anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This piece adds interesting detail and commentary on the hospital executions.

    "Shooting at a hospital requires approval from someone with the rank of major general.

    According to initial IDF inquiries made on Monday, it seems no such approval was granted.

    The army's response indicates that the shooting was directed at people holding cameras on the roof, and had been seen there several times in recent days.

    The assumption was that it was a Hamas observation post, which was tracking Israeli troops.

    But, at the same time, it was known that journalists were working in the hospital area and regularly broadcasting from there.

    Why didn't anyone connect the dots?

    The Israeli argument is more difficult to accept convincingly, given the fact that the IDF recently announced that it had intentionally killed media personnel who worked for the Al Jazeera network on the grounds that they were also Hamas operatives.

    Anyone who takes responsibility for killing journalists will have a hard time explaining that this time, they did it by accident"

    Amos Harel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,705 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Some good news for a change -

    "The world’s largest wealth fund has excluded Caterpillar, the construction equipment manufacturer, over Israel’s use of its bulldozers to destroy Palestinian property in Gaza and the West Bank.

    Norway’s $2tn (£1.5tn) fund said on Monday it had excluded Caterpillar and five Israeli banking groups on ethics grounds.

    While the fund has already excluded more than 20 Israeli companies this year, Caterpillar is the first big US company to be removed through the wealth fund’s ongoing review to ensure its investments do not contribute to violations of international law."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/26/norway-wealth-fund-excludes-caterpillar-over-israel-allegations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,912 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am sure Political Analyst whenever he comes back will have a go at doing so. Another "minor error / mistake" to add the hundreds of we have seen previously. If you are blinkered enough to accept this narrative you'd still have to acknowledge that The IDF rather than being the most moral army in the world really is the most incompetent army in history .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    There is no need for any caveat in war - there are rules. Like not targeting civilians or journalists or hospitals. There is no need to state the obvious - provided to engage in war in accordance with those rules.

    As we know with Israel, the fact that they state clearly that they "do not target civilians" is proof that they actually do when we see the crystal clear footage every single day.

    That there are others here arguing about bias and other such nonsense is just a smokescreen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It wasn't a Canon or a Nikon, it was even a Sony - it was some "Hamas Camera" that posed the threat apparently.

    https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-israeli-army-says-initial-inquiry-shows-troops-spotted-camera-set-up-by-hamas-at-hospital-they-attacked-13415481

    I mean the IDF and Israeli govt. are beyond parody at this stage.

    They should just shut up at this point, or even own their barbarism, and say - "so what!" to any questioners of their actions.

    That's what Russia mostly does now and it hasn't stopped them doing as they please

    Admittedly Russia's ability to weather trade and other sanctions is a lot greater than Israel's, so I suppose latter is keeping some shred of a public facade going to the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,335 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The gall of that piece of shit whinging about "vandals" defacing a synagogue when he's responsible for levelling miles of civilian buildings and the murder of tens of thousands (possibly a six figure sum at this point) in Gaza, not to mention the stealing of Palestinian land in the west bank.

    The Aussie PM should have told him to fuck off and mind his own business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don't think it's incompetence at all - they know exactly what they are doing. They are a very competent army at killing - combatants and innocents alike. They pillage, steal, rape and destroy at will. Some here consider this as "power". But that's like lauding the Nazis for their "highly competent" extermination of 6 million Jews and others.

    The IDF incompetence is simply in trying to cover it up - and they are usually fairly competent - until someone provides photographic or video evidence like we saw with the 15 medics.

    The only reason alleged War Criminal Netanyahu issued his mealy mouthed statement is because the video was viewed in minutes by millions worldwide.

    We know who the supporters and justifiers are who post here. They have been quiet for a while but when they do return, of course they'll pull their usual disingenuous cards even in the face of crystal clear evidence to the contrary.

    VelvetCakeGate was a prime example - but there are many many others.

    And bear in mind, there are a lot of atrocities perpetrated by the IDF that will either never be known or will take years to come out. Because independent Journalists are banned from Gaza and the IDF are exterminating the rest - for perfectly obvious reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Randycove


    it isn’t about what I think. International news agencies need to show that they being as even handed as possible. If Spain accused Portugal of targeting civilians and Portugal denied it, I would expect independent news to publish both the accusation and denial as at the time, that is all that can be verified.

    where I would make my mind up, is if the news agency then showed a detailed analysis that there is no way Portugal did anything but target civilians, as the BBC did in their analysis of the latest atrocity.
    read the following analysis. It clarifies what happened, gives a statement from the IDF and makes it very clear the scale of the attack and that Israel carried out an attack that was wholly disproportionate, regardless of what they say. That to me ia excellent journalism.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgeqr73p8wyo



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Randycove




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