Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed

Sample came from the rock

No match yet

If the above is correct the other journalist was getting ahead of himself

Very much so -I expect we’ll see more of these type of articles to fill in the no news gap over the coming weeks

I agree it would face a challenge, but it likely depends on the DNA findings themselves. In addition I think the gardai would use the initial DNA finding to come down like a hammer on the suspect, re-check alibis statements etc., seek a confession or accusation from someone who may know more. Perhaps do some searches etc for a weapon, similar to the Annie McCarrick case.

If they just find one persons DNA it would likely be strong evidence unless they have a very good reason for it being there. If they find multiple people's DNA, then I think the challenge would be much stronger, and combining this with the shambles of an original investigation, the DPP may feel it is unwinnable.

So, did Ian Bailey “lean over the body” as some “reports” say he did- or do we believe the statement in the Garda file that categorically states that he didn’t “lean over the body”?

Are the papers trying to muddy the waters here, in advance of the DNA results? Who are these people who “report” that Bailey lent over the body? I find it bizarre that even the most rookie of guards would have allowed that at the time.

As we approach what is rumoured to be the results of the latest DNA testing, the media are printing ever more bizarre stories. And there’s plenty to keep the conspiracy theorists going -

From my own perspective, if Bailey’s DNA is found, regardless of how it got there then for me it’s “case closed” - and if you’re stupid enough to go near an obvious crime scene and contaminate it with your DNA, that’s just your own tough luck. Bailey was old enough to enjoy episodes of Columbo and as we know he never allowed the crime scene to be disturbed 😀

My mind will be made up. But if Jules is writing a book, I think it would be advisable to await the outcome of these latest tests first before publishing - otherwise it may date very quickly.

The few newspaper articles we’ve seen are talking “around” the issue of Baileys DNA being found - but the cumulative impact is that they’re hyping up the expectation that his DNA will indeed be found.

My own view is that if the killer didn’t wear gloves, his DNA will likely be found in this latest round of testing . All we can do is wait

“The new development in the cold case comes amid reports that a garda blunder in the original investigation may have allowed Ian Bailey to gain access to the crime scene and deliberately contaminate it with his DNA.

Sources have claimed Manchester-born Mr Bailey was at the scene on the morning after the murder and ‘knelt down over the body of the dead woman’.

Gardaí reportedly feared at the time that Mr Bailey was trying to shed genetic traces via the transfer of flakes of his hair or skin to explain why his DNA was found at the crime scene.“

https://www.southernstar.ie/news/claims-ian-bailey-accessed-sophie-crime-scene-4338169

Im tending to believe only the second article that they have a dna profile off the rock

That may amount to nothing i feel ,could be unknown ANother

I'd disregard the other articles about "jubilation" and bailey leaning over the body

I certainly agree, and have said as much, however without a confession there is the possibility for reasonable doubt. If it could be claimed that the perpetrator went into a blind rage killing, and it could be claimed that the brick was used during that temporary rage phase, that would likely be enough to say manslaughter imo.

Some people say the brick wasn't even used. Personally I think if there was DNA evidence then the DPP would offer a manslaughter guilty plea to draw a line under it, and not have to go through a trial. However I don't know if there is a statute of limitations for that.

I think looking at the gravity how she was killed, I would say, that it was clearly murder not manslaughter.

However that's a layman's opinion.

The real difference is intent and this would lead us into the premeditated vs non-premeditated debate.

The fact that Sophie was so rarely at her cottage and that the killer must at least have known that she was there is most likely not enough as he could have had just intent to meet her, social chit chat, natter, chinwag…..

If it was a rage killing and that rage was provoked say whilst walking with Sophie to the gates, it would be classified as voluntary manslaughter. However this is also rather fluid in this case. Was the rage provoked is one thing, but if that rage existed for longer it would be premeditated and thus clearly murder with intent.

So how long before the FBI lab comes up with a result?

I mean it would be nice to know if we can elect a President whose DNA isn't on that 'murder weapon'.

I'm told I used to chase my brothers with a hatchet when I was three, I could have been a serial (cereal?) killer by age six.

Anyway it'd be nice to know if we'll be still waiting by Christmas, or at least which one. 🙄

No match doesn't mean a full DNA profile won't be or isn't raised. Maybe it just means that the killers DNA profiles aren't among the ones they have available now.

The one credible report (imo) is saying they have a profile