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Should roundabouts in/around urban areas be banned outright??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    I am not getting you… You say Roundabout should be banned because of Cocaine…

    Roundabouts are safer than Traffic Lights… Look at the evidence…

    So if you say they should be banned for safety reasons I suggest you llok at the data (I have posted earlier)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Traffic has got a lot worse since they took out Headford (inner and outer), Tuam, Ballybrit Business Park, Briarhill, Oranmore, Mervue…. Considerably worse… Headford has been a complete disaster… Tuam could have you crying at times… Mervue was an act of vandalism…

    This is has reduced the city into a car park… Idiotic Traffic Lights put in by idiotic people…

    Look at the city, tell us the Roundabout that is causing the problem. The one outside the hospitalis grand considering the mess Trafic lights caused in Westside… There isn't that many rouandabouts left in Galway city and none you can consider problems… The ones on Western Distributary road are an advertisement on why roundabouts work and will be even better after the upgrades… I never met a single person that wants them changed to traffic lights…

    Honestly, you would have have to give me a very strong arguement to introduce a single more traffic lights and many cases I would asking should we reverse the Traffic Lights that were put in Headford Road, Tuam Rd, Briarhill…. Properly designed it would be safer for all…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Agreed, the roundabout installed are not always considering all the road users.. I asked out local councillors and traffic guys and they said that all the rules were written in a document ( in Dublin) and they are just following those rules…

    Some of the stuff is highly dangerous and lacks total common sense…

    There is a new traffic light pedestrian crossing on Blackrock at the end of Galway Prom… So that famous Galway Sunset is right behind the lights in the evening… Very easy to miss those lights, there is no raise in the road, every thing is a silhouette…

    Common sense would have it raised, Sensor light on a pelican crossing and bight Organge globes so you won't miss it… I practically guarantee you someone is getting hit at the crossing…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    They are there for further development… It is a bit of forward thinking…

    Consider the amount of disruption it would take to one of these in after the fact…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    traffic has gotten worse because the volume of cars has massively increases.

    back in the days of the roundabout city, traffic would still be chronic at rush hour around most roundabouts. Traffic lights are a definite improvement, especially headford road which used to be total gridlock



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭almostover


    Groody roundabout in Limerick is terrible for this. The pedestrian crossings are every close to the roundabout exits and it creates two competing hazards for driver's attention. Keeping an eye for traffic or cyclists on the inside and pedestrians crossing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    One thing I dislike about roundabouts is the "medium sized ones" often have 2 lanes approaching but 1 lane on the roundabout itself. Sometimes there is just about enough room for 2 lanes but drivers treat it as a single lane anyway.

    There should be a design rule where each lane on approach should be able to enter the roundabout to its own marked lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed. My life isn’t ruined by the roundabouts in the airport, I just find it frustrating as there are so many in quick succession, and generally only used to go straight through. But I don’t actually care.. was just adding my comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Normally, if you rear-end someone.. its your fault.

    Not on a roundabout. I read a case about a driver who stopped on a roundabout.. he was rammed from behind (fnar).

    Guy who crashed into him was in the clear.

    Its illegal to stop on a roundabout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I didn’t know that. The Fingerpost Roundabout in Cork I spoke about in another post has a crossing right on the roundabout

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/aZGfEcfv9jhPGYUV9

    When traffic is heavy, the only way to cross is wait a long time for a gap in the cars, or else wait for a car to stop for you. I stopped the other day to let someone cross. Didn’t know I’d be in the wrong did that, but I’m also not surprised



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Not if they are raised… So the Pedestrian crossing is at Path level and cars remain calm when coming off… Without that, Yes, drivers could be coming off the roundabout at speed…

    Properly build Roundabouts are great. Since Galway has replaced some of there bigger roundabout traffic has got much worse, they are confusing and dangerous as there is a lot of breaking of lights in frustration (long waiting before getting another green)… We got the usual excuses of 'they are set up right and the smart system needs to be tweeked', sorry that is just BS….

    Roundabouts are less aggressive when married with raised pelican crossings that light up when a pedestrian approaches them.. Not button to press, there is just a flashing Yellow light on top…

    It turns out the that light has to flashing yellow by law (not done on the continent anymore). My solution would be that it would light up when a pedestrian approaches and



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    I know it will sound as if I'm being contrary but I promise I'm not. If it's where I think it is I used to drive this route quite a lot for work as an alternative to the M50 in the mornings. It was a bit of a pain all right having so many roundabouts but it generally didn't impede traffic flow on the mainline. There was one junction that could block up from time to time. Ironically, especially in the context of this discussion, the biggest delay on this route was the one set of traffic lights on it just before the M3 junction which always caused a huge delay. I am so glad I don't have to go near it these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,328 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If You look anywheres in Europe pedestrian crossing are slightly away from roundabouts and junctions where there is no lights. Anything from 2-5 car lengths. On holidays recently it took me a while to get used to it. But it works especially when traffic is heavy as you get accriss without disrupting tge flow of traffic. Usually it only adds 2-5 seconds to the pedestrian. It also is safer for traffic exiting the junction or roundabout.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    You’re going to need a source before I’ll believe that story. Typical speed of a car traversing a roundabout is under 30 km/h. If you’re doing that sort of speed, you have to be driving right on the car’s bumper to hit them if they stop. If you’re doing a faster speed, it’s really, really hard to claim you were driving safely and attentively.

    It’s also not illegal to stop in traffic on a roundabout, same as on any road, and that’s when most rear-ending accidents happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yes whereas we have a lot of lower quality ones where they just provide dipped kerbs and a triangular pedestrian refuge right at the roundabout itself.

    Generally speaking, I don't mind roundabouts because they're passive traffic management (no lights) but I think the design of them seems to have been a little bit of a free-for-all, and the choice to implement them seems to be a bit scattergun.

    Dumbell interchange? Perfect

    Urban area in a housing estate beside a shop with no provisions for vulnerable users? Not great: https://maps.app.goo.gl/8eA8t3PEbxdmoLqA7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,853 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's stuff like this that you see a lot, this is near the airport. A "planner" somewhere actually sat down and said "yep that makes sense". We'll take two large conjoined roundabouts like Siamese twins. And make it a bigger version of a motorway dumbell junction without the motorway.

    May as well be a moate for anyone who wants to leave the hotels and venture out too.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I've stayed at that Clayton many times but I've never walked more than between vehicle and building. Even the route from the hotel to the garage is pure crap: in Google there's somebody taking the extremely obvious desire-line between the two that the planners couldn't figure out. The footpaths all around that mess are like a lesson in how not to do things. They even randomly put a "yield" sign (for pedestrians) on one of the traffic islands…but only in one direction!

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/mmmuNVG452TZUZwW8

    Yes, this is exactly the type of thing I was thinking of when you brought up "urban roundabouts". Abysmal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Leatra


    The yield sign isn't for pedestrians but for cyclists, who will presumably have built up a ridiculous speed on that two-metre behemoth of a cycle path on the island. Fortunately there's also an "End" sign (hidden behind the "Cycle Path" sign) to give them advance warning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The roundabouts are a symptom of a deeper problem here: the roads and footpaths have been designed solely for the benefit of motor traffic, and everyone else can go **** themselves.

    That’s the root cause, but cheapness explains why roundabouts rather than some other car-centric controls were used: roundabouts saved the developers the cost of installing traffic lights. Traffic lights aren’t cheap, and to work properly, they have to be networked across the whole site. Again, not cheap. As this is a private road on a private site, there’s clearly no money available for doing things right, so slap down a roundabout and job is done.

    Well, job done for cars at least. Everyone else? They don’t matter. The logic here is that because this site is primarily accessed from a motorway, “everybody” would have driven there, and “nobody” would be walking or cycling around it. The fact that there are two hotels here and a few restaurants didn’t seem to matter. I’ve also been here, but never during the daytime, so I didn’t realise there was anything there except the hotels. The layout is so bad it almost reminds me of the States, where they make you get in your car to go somewhere that’s literally across the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Should we give these people traffic lights? 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I hadn't spotted it. That is a glorious cycle track in fairness. Very impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    Think this a truly dangerous design of a roundabout for cyclists…They think they have right-of-way to just cross in front of exiting traffic??

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭BagofWeed


    Had the misfortune of coming up Dark Road tonight and seeing them for the 1st time, 2 & a half minutes waiting for the dirty things to go green. Unbelievable that they would put those things there, they will be the bane of Ballinacurra, Whitegate and the other villages past there that use the R630.

    The lights under the Bypass bridge at the Ballick Road are unbelievable and have to be seen in person to be believed. traffic lights on peoples driveways, lol. Would be a dream wonderland for the posters that want more of the f*cking things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭BagofWeed


    Here's where I lived when I was younger, urban planning hundreds of years ahead of Ireland, a population the same as Ennis, yet has only 1 traffic light junction which is at the south of the town, 1 km north of a motorway.

    Traffic doesn't pool, it flows, consistently. Look at all those roundabouts !!

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    The bus travels in & out from the nearest main train station from the city a few km's to the south and because they planned properly, the single main bus line actually can be reached on foot from any location there within a max of eight to ten mins walk, the bus comes in from the south and turns right to travel along the east of the town and turns left in the town centre and travels back out along the west of the town.

    It's almost as if they looked at the way we do things in Ireland and said we must do things the very opposite. This would be futuristic stuff here. Bus is always on time too and they generally go from 4am in the morning to 1am at night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The big difference there is density. The Dutch are prepared to live right beside each other. The Irish, meanwhile, want to live as far away from each other as is humanly possible.

    Once everything is close together, transportation works much better.. even car transport, because with short distances, fewer people need to drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    "They think they have right-of-way to just cross in front of exiting traffic"

    Agreed this is a poor design, but yes they do indeed have right of way as they are on the outside lane, if it had two car lanes would you try and pull off through a car on the outside?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Took me a minute to understand what you meant! People think they can enter the roundabout as other traffic exits? Ouch.

    Poor design in fairness but at least the designers did put in "yields" on the cycle track, so they seem to have understood that the issue would occur…but didn't manage to get a protected design in.

    This one might have resulted from that weird phase where the NTA and TII were experimenting mad with roundabout design, in a frantic effort to not just co-opt what the Dutch had perfected (and what all of us were telling them to just copy. In the end they waited until UK did a crap version of the Dutch design, and then copied the UK design and improved some of the defects. The new set of Irish designs now are ALMOST the same as the Dutch ones at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    What's wrong with Bailick Road? They needed those because there was a very narrow footpath and no room for cycle infra, just enough space for two driving lanes. So they did what I think is the right thing and cut it to one lane with lights controlling who goes, and put in the pedestrian and cycle infrastructure then. The idea was to create a "sustainable spine" north-south through the town. It'll carry on up to the train and meet the greenway, and carry on north further again to the furthest housing estates to the north.

    I think the lights near Lakeview were to get the new housing estates in. It's urgently time to remove Lakeview now IMO. Move the junction East and let this area go full residential. We have a thread for that of course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭BagofWeed


    The town looks dense from above but when you're on the ground there it's surprisingly very spacious. Houses there mostly have a yard too with sheds and enough space for tools etc.

    With Ireland there's a fear factor involved, other people are to be viewed with suspicion and mistrust so high density evokes fearful images of violence, drugs and crime. Now some of that is valid as we have a useless police force and a joke of a justice system too. The people in that town including the youth seemed more mature and although drugs were plentiful and the residents knew how to party the associated carry on such as fights and criminal damage were very rare in comparison to Irish towns with the same population such as Ennis, Kilkenny or Tralee.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,094 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Clearly they have the right of way, since exiting traffic on a roundabout cannot cut across traffic on the lane to the left. I'm a bit concerned that you seem to think that it should.



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