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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) caught telling porkies again:


    "A dubious claim repeated by Netanyahu is that Hamas seized humanitarian aid. There is no evidence for this.

    Even senior IDF officers, quoted by The New York Times, confirmed as much. This was also reinforced in an analysis by the USAID agency.

    Netanyahu also falsely claimed that the UN was not collecting the aid that entered Gaza.

    In reality, the only obstacle is the IDF.

    Of 79 movement requests the UN submitted to the military last week, only 45 were fully approved"

    Nir Hasson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    protesters are getting more vocal - but right wing activists are hitting back



    Protesters calling for a hostage deal demonstrated outside the homes of key government figures on Sunday morning.

    Michal Lavi, sister-in-law of hostage Omri Miran, protested outside the home of Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter in Ashkelon, inviting him to step outside and see pictures of Omri in captivity from April, telling him: "You are welcome to come outside and look straight in the eyes of the reality you are responsible for."

    A right-wing activist verbally attacked Lavi and the other protesters, telling her "No one is more of a pile of garbage than you are, you and all these actors."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Away from Gaza, Israel is still attacking its neighbours for no apparent reason other than warmongering/landgrabbing.

    U.S. envoy Tom Barrack met with Netanyahu to discuss Washington's request that Israel restrain its strikes in Lebanon, Axios reporter Barak Ravid said on X, citing three Israeli and U.S. sources. According to Axios, Barrack also met with Strategic Affairs Ron Dermer, Foreign Minister Gideon Saar and Defense Minister Katz.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,583 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Which jewish people are being brutally murdered, starved to death, suffering genocide at the moment?

    Israeli citizens who support the genocide should expect to treated as the same kinds of pariah that they demand all Hamas sympathisers are treated within and outside of occupied Palestine.

    They consider the families of Hamas sympathisers to be legitimate targets of murder and starvation. I think boycotting them and blocking them from participating in international civil society is much less severe than what they subject on others.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Randycove


    I think you have selective hearing, or whatever the social media version of that is. The poster I was quoting specifically mentioned Jewish people in Manchester going about their daily business without any repercussions.
    collective punishment is collective punishment. The scales are several orders of magnitude different, but is still collective punishment.
    I mean, are you seriously suggesting we see signs in birding house windows saying no dogs, no Jews? Saying that a team representing Israel can’t compete in a games is saying that Israel isn’t welcome. Saying Jews isn’t is blatant anti semitism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    This is true. Blaming Jews en masse is lazy anti-semitism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Randycove


    as far as I am aware, they aren’t. The poster I was replying to was saying that they should be.

    But hey warriors boy, bash that keyboard in anger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Randycove


    and the really sad thing is, it just falls right in to the hands of the Israeli regime who like to class anything anti Israeli as anti Semitic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,244 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Israel itself is the prime mover behind this : equating Zionism with Judaism and saying the fate of the Israeli far right, racist apartheid state is the exact same thing as the fate of all Jewish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 200 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    This doesn't look like a normal High Explosive bomb- due to the height of the fireball.
    It looks like a new or modified or possibly experimental weapon.

    Yemen.jpg

    There were allegations during the 2015-2022 US/Saudi/UAE war of aggression on Yemen that the 4th Reich (US/UK) used some kind of trial mini-nuclear device at least once (whether right or wrong, that view was from non-military local Yemenis on the receiving end).

    자본주의 사회의 정부는 자본가 계급의 문제를 관리하는 부자들의 위원회에 불과합니다 - James Connolly, 1915


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's not a nuclear bomb.

    Hitting an arms depot or fuel depot can create large explosions like this, seen several fireballs of this magnitude in recent conflicts. Looks like this one hit a fuel depot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Probably an arms dump / drone factory.

    An arms dump explosion is a catastrophic event that creates a massive, towering fireball, a powerful blast wave, and a mushroom cloud of debris and superheated air. 

    Quote:

    The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said it had identified a Hezbollah unit producing "thousands" of drones underground, funded by "Iranian terrorists".

    An hour before the attack occurred, the Israeli military's Arabic spokesman, Avichay Adraee, ordered residents living in the neighbourhoods of Hadath, Haret Hreik and Borj el-Barajneh in the Dahieh area to evacuate.

    "You are next to infrastructure belonging to Hezbollah," he said in a social media post that included a map identifying specific buildings



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I suggest you read that post more carefully.

    And I suggest you read mine more carefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Please quote the post suggesting Jews should be "brutally murdered, starved to death, suffering genocide"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The antisemitism card is being pulled out for Macron and France - the words used reflecting Netanyahu's recent letter to Macron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,904 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Then why did Macron order increased security at synagogues? Because antisemitic incidents were dropping in France?

    FWIW I think Kushner was out of line and his letter, as all things from the US these days, too much 'homage du Trump.' But antisemitic incidents in France are a real thing. It's not a 'card.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭mountain


    the antisemitism is directly related to the slaughter of Palestinians,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    That's what I was posting - it is well known that there have been antisemitic incidents in France but Macron has been dealing with them. Kushner is simply using his position to bolster the Netanyahu rhetoric. That is unproductive and simply further dilutes "antisemitism". That he has also overstepped the mark in terms of diplomacy is also deserves a rebuke.

    As we know, the prolific use of "antisemitism" over the last two years has utterly devalued its meaning to the detriment of calling out antisemitism. That goes for "blood libel" and "pogrom" and a whole host of other charged phrases the Israelis use daily to justify their atrocities. It weakens Israel's position and people simply do not trust them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,320 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The misrepresentation of posts is common enough on here but does need to be called out whenever it raises its ugly head.

    I read your post carefully and it did not say what the poster accused you of. And your posting history clearly shows that you do not subscribe to that view either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    I'm sure after the Nazi genocide the world was more dangerous to Germans for a few years.

    The policy of the Israeli state, and many ghouls on here, has been to conflate opposition to this "war" with antisemitism, which frames this as representative of Judaism, implicating Jews as complicit in the slaughter.

    By doing this, Israel themselves are propogating antisemetic tropes of a Jewish hive mind, or that every Jewish person in other countries are somewhat loyal to Israel and not necessarily their own countries, (these are specific questions on ADL surveys that indicate antisemetism).

    This genocide is real, it is happening, and after it all comes out there will be a backlash. Israel, for whatever reason, has done it's best to ensure all Jewish people will be implicated, when that is no more true than the "every Muslim is a terrorist" bullshit we hear (ironically from people who support this war).

    Post edited by Miniegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,583 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This us why Netenyahu is the chief anti-semite. Zionism is an ethnofascist ideology and intrinsically attaches itself to one ethnicity.

    He and his Likud party have spent decades saying any criticism of Zionism is a criticism of Israel. And any criticism of Israel is antisemitic.

    His fascism has used his religion as a force field. It is now intertwined with zionism.

    Non fascist jews will spend the next 3 decades trying to rescue their identity, just like Germans spent decades trying to recover their reputation from Hitler

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,395 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “I think boycotting them and blocking them from participating in international civil society is much less severe than what they subject on others.”

    I understand the sentiment but I’m not sure I agree with it being implemented - if your view is starting to be shared by many other ordinary citizens then certainly, legal action of some kind will ultimately be taken by European governments and the EU.

    I’m reluctant to tar each and every Israeli with the same brush - I’d prefer to see groundswell against the prime minister that currently exists within the country, grow within the country, and see him deposed, arrested and tried for war crimes.
    The people of Israel have to shout louder - otherwise, what you advocate for may happen one day - and I don’t want to see that - there’s a very small window of opportunity before the next phase of invasion takes place - surely the Israeli people do not want to see this happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,583 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The 'them' I'm talking about are the subset of Israelis that support the genocide.

    Israelis that protest and work to end the genocide should be embraced

    Post edited by Akrasia on

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    And in other news, the BBC Corporation and some other news outlets have admitted that Marah Abu Zuhri, who it had earlier photographed and painted a picture of the very ill woman as dying of malnutrition, was really suffering from Cancer, and hence was so underweight. Not the only staged photo coming from Gaza.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/18/bbc-gaza-cancer-patient-marah-abu-zuhri-death-claim/

    Another Palestinian Hamas lie amplified by the BBC.

    They said she died of hunger.

    In reality, she had leukemia and was sent to Italy for treatment.

    A tragic case. A malicious lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    What's the cancer treatment like in Gaza these days?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    Probably the same as for most people in neighbouring countries like Egypt. Interestingly, Egypt does not want any refugees from Gaza and built a wall to keep them out. So she went to Italy for treatment.

    Point is, the world media painted a picture of the underweight, obviously ill woman as starving. In reality, she had cancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Elaborate on your point. What do you think it means?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Hahaha….

    What a win for the Israelis! Jesus Christ man….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,395 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Fair enough- but outside of the official political roles and cabinet , it would be impossible to implement - but certainly any member of this current regime should be black listed for travel purposes



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