Israel/Palestine Thread

Amazing turnout in Australia today protesting the genocide in Israel

Its because they are brainwashed……Have you ever seen the text books Israeli children are given on the history of their land(which isn't theirs)?Its some demented stuff….It truly is…….I laways wonder what is the end game for isreal?What is netanyahus end game?You gotta have an end game,its a million times harder to get out of something than to get in…Vietnam,Iraq,Ukriane you name it…Gaza's flattened,the Palestinian's are magically no longer there,isreal now occupies it……Do they think the world will forget the Holocaust theve committed?…..This is why they are a sick sick people these Zionists are…..do they not see what the end will bring them?They are creating a world in which they will be outcast forever plus will create generations of terror aimed at themselves…….Germany is a respected nation now i hear you say…and that's a valid point..

Thing is ordinary Germans had a general awareness that Jews were being persecuted and killed, but most did not know details of gas chambers or the industrial scale,was a lot or rumor,hearsay,possible bullsh1t stories etc…. plus sadly we live in a social media age where everything is recorded,everyone has a voice to an extent,celebrity condemnation is more relevant than Politicians,i just heard Turkey's first lady has urged Melania Trump to confront Benjamin Netanyahu over the need to protect children,if she finally came out and spoke this would be huge(sad celebrity voice has so much power these days but thats the world now) and History has shown us that Hitler was a once off demon…..We were told and measures were put in place so something sickening in nature would never happen again from humans..Enter netanyahu………………Unlike Nazi Germany, Israel is a democracy with a free press, internet, and access to international reporting.Everyone is Isreal knows damn well 100% exactly what's going on…….

are you suggesting we start shunning all Jews, because of what Israel is doing?

I really don't think Ordinary Germans knew what was going on in these camps unless you were in an area that a camp was present,ive seen things to the contrary certainly on the "Final solution"…..I think they knew about everything else though but not the atrocities that were being committed in these camps and the twisted notion of a "Final solution" was indeed hidden….And i have no basis on this but would people have believed Believed that humans could do this to other humans?The ordinary German?….I wouldn't have,it was unprecedented and too f****d up to grasp as an ordinary civilian….Getting abit off topic here i guess but who would have thought the poor souls were killed only for their country to 80 years later be causing man made famine…There are so many holocaust survivors who are dismayed at what there own country is now doing….

sweet Jesus.

I wouldn't disagree with any of the points you are making about modern societies and social media and the whole phenomenon of disinformation and 'fake news'. It could be argued though that if you are going down the route of dismissing a current genocide as fake news and 'staged', you are 100% complicit in that genocide.

Holocaust denial is a criminal offence in many European countries : I'm not sure I see much difference between those individuals and the legions of Zionists on social media claiming there is no starvation in Gaza, the numbers of dead are hugely overstated, 'Pallywood', the IDF have behaved properly at all times, the UN and aid agencies are corrupt liars and friends of Hamas etc.

The qualifier here is SOME Germans may have known SOMETHING. But what that something was was always very vague and the vast majority would have written most things off as enemy propaganda anyway which was rife during the war.

The reality is that the holocaust was kept away from the public's eyes as best as the Nazis could. For obvious reasons. There's a logic to why they chose remote areas in occupied Poland for the likes of Auschwitz and Chelmno. During the war those places may have been on the moon as far as the average German was concerned.

In concentration camps in Germany, most Germans believed that whoever was in one probably deserved to be there. Remember, it wasn't just political prisoners who found themselves in the likes of Dachau or Buchenwald. All types of criminals also did. Rapists, child molesters, embezzlers, etc went through the doors too and for a lot of Germans that sufficed. They tended not to ask too many questions lest they find themselves wearing some striped clothes too.

In any case there was nothing that the average German could do about any of the camps even if they had full knowledge of what was going on behind the walls of one, which would have been an extremely unlikely scenario unless one worked there in some capacity. Even then silence about the inner workings of a camp was paramount for your own safety. If word got back that an employee of a particular camp was mouthing off, they could end up against the wall fairly sharpish.

The reality is, whether you agree or not, is that the majority of Germans had no real idea what was being done to people behind the wire of the camps. And the majority preferred not to know either.

In a society like Germany ruled by the Nazis, one didn't put one's head above the parapet.

The situation with the average Israeli and what they would know is vastly different. Unlike the average German, who had to rely on state radio, newspapers and gossip, the average Israeli today has access to a vast array of information at their fingertips. If an Israeli wants to they can easily see what's been going on in their name at the touch of a button. There is still state propaganda going on, of course, and we can see Netanyahu's lies for what they are with great ease. But if one really wants to they can get the facts pretty easily and gain an informed opinion.

The Dutch foreign minister brought a vote to parliament for the country to put sanctions on Israel. Unfortunately it failed to pass and today the FM resigned alongside 8 other ministers and now they have a crisis in the governing coalition with elections coming in October. Something like that anyway.