Israel/Palestine Thread

There are a lot in Israel who want this war stopped as all they want the hostages released and this war will not do it. Netanyahu will do everything in his power to not let him lose power as he knows once he is out he is in a lot of trouble in Israel never mind anywhere else

The biggest challenge for the Israeli's to navigate will be the rise of right wing and far right Europe. They've thrived in left wing Europe post WW2. They've thrived in right wing America though so they'll have some experience as Europe makes the shift.

They've bad memories of the last time Europe went to the right. Back then they didn't have an Israel to fall back to. It might lead to an increase of Western Jews migrating to Israel, increasing their population and ultimately strengthening them.

You won't see any of our lot doing that. The last person with morals to resign was Roisin Shorthall.

 “as much as the Nazis were after World War ii.”

It is that serious at this stage- I’m not an “activist” either - in fact most people in Ireland aren’t “activists” in terms of this war. But quite simply, the Israeli people have slept walked into a position where they’re now, ironically, on par with early WW2 oNazi Germany which is incredibly ironic.

Between burning out Palestinian settlers from their homes to placing vast restrictions around freedom of movement tothe genocide of Gaza, I don’t see any difference between that and the early years of WW2- none at all. It’s fact not politically motivated propaganda - and many countries are still in denial that it’s happening.

I’m not a racist and yes, Hamas must also face their judgement day for their atrocities- they are not without blame and also have the death of 1000s of Palestinian and Israeli lives on their hands -but neither do I bow down to fascist regimes or take seriously their rhetoric that tries to silence criticism of such atrocities.

They can’t hide behind the “anti-semitism” accusation of their critics any longer- they have lost the right to be respected - they might still have protections around discrimination under law- but the court of public opinion is very clear at this stage- Israel has transformed into the very regime they have preached against for the last 80 years

It would be great if it were true, but it's not. I regularly visit the UK, I was there during the week past, in Manchester. Now you can't tell the difference in most Jews, but the lads in the black clothes and beards you can, and they walk around and do their business as usual. All over the world in fact there's no news of any backlash against Israel, Jews or anything to do with them. Sure you hear musings and political and protest noises, but it seems in general its business as usual. They aren't being shunned or told take their business elsewhere. Not enough ihas or is being done to let them know. FFS govts are banning protest groups who are anti Israel.

You could also perhaps conclude that the leaders of the al-qassam brigades knew their enemy better than they knew themselves. A previous poster said Hamas may have underestimated the response from the Israelis, I think it's the opposite: they envisioned such a response and it was part of their strategy to isolate Israel and give renewed focus to a two state solution. If it was then it appears they have been partially successful as Israel is now a Pariah State to many.

It will take years of pr to try and rehabilitate their image- it could work with allies, who will just say Israel lost their way..., but for many others I feel no amount of pr will work. As you say though Israel will just keep creating facts on the ground while others talk shop about a two state solution.

My “sleep walking” reference was more directed towards the Israeli people themselves, not the fascist regime currently in place.

If the Israeli people and Jews in general value world opinion and wish to be seen as a peaceful ethnicity, they need to find their voice and clearly point out that the atrocities being carried out are not being done in their name- unfortunately few are doing that.

This is a big one. I have a range of insurance policies with AXA, from motor, home, business and work vehicles and tools and public liability. My premium is renewable in October. Last year my premium was almost 5k cheaper with them than anyone else, I've been a customer since 2018. I couldn't afford that type of price hike. Quandary time. I know we've all heard of Allianz gaa thing, but AXA bought Israeli bonds too I think.