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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    You ask: "Who is pro mass uncontrolled migration?"

    Among others, the SocDems.

    They are specifically against deportation of failed AS. When a tiny, tiny share of the failed AS were deported recently, they objected.

    Therefore, they want all AS, both the very few genuine, and the 80-100% bogus, to stay.

    As there are no limits to how many bogus AS can arrive here, and as hardly any failed AS ever leave, the SocDems are for unlimited immigration of failed AS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Dont go live there then.

    Its a rather simple solution.

    Research the nation you wish to integrate into and enter legally, not looking up welfare benefits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    You say: "If your point is about policy, then talk policy. Controlled borders, clear asylum rules, fast processing, firm enforcement, investment in housing and services, language support, pathways to citizenship."

    The problem is, we don't have:

    (1) controlled borders

    (2) clear asylum rules

    (3) fast processing

    (4) firm enforcement

    If we had these, there would not be 180,000+ AS living here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,592 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Here is a man:

    • whose four grandparents moved to Japan in the 1950s / 60s
    • both parents grew up in Japan
    • the man himself went to school in Japan

    He says that he grew up in Japan, but that he is not Japanese, as he is not from a Japanese family.

    He would never call himself Japanese.

    Note that he speaks fluent Japanese.

    Similarly, non-Irish who move to Ireland, live here for years, acquire citizenship, are not Irish, and most of them would agree with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They'd be legally Irish citizens but not natives same as the Japanese example. Some of their descendants when they eventually mix with the natives will be considered natives.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭TokTik


    The elephant in the room is “leave to remain”. Should be completely revoked. You either qualify or you don’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,307 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Sharia law has no place in Ireland, people who do not share our values have no place in Ireland, fundemental religious nuts that discriminate against others have no place in Ireland. Waving and flying your national flag in your own country should not be seen as an issue, any native nationality becoming a minority in their own country is most definitely something to care about.

    Yet to many on the liberal left, the so called pro immigration advocates, these are seen as heinous thoughts, thoughts to be shouted down, thoughts that invoke name calling. The phrase suicidal empathy sums it up perfectly, so blinded by their virtuous crusade to save the world and help those they perceive as needing help, when in reality the newcomers lifestyles and ideologies are incompatible with their new host nation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    That is what the ruckus at the Clonskeagh Mosque was about I think: it was the more hardline stricter muslims who were unhappy with the way it was being run by the more moderate faction so they forced them out and took over.

    If you read between the lines in this report you can see it was basically a coup.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2025/0423/1509158-islamic-centre-clonskeagh/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I think this goes without saying. Of course he's not japanese. LOOK AT HIM. He even feels silly claiming to be Japanese because he owns a fcuking mirror.

    I also think the liberal left would have no problem agreeing with that but say the same about black people or indian people in Ireland and its racist.

    Its the continued double standards applied to this whole issue. Ireland has no ethnicity or only white people can be racists etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,498 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The media seems to be working overtime trying to find foreigners who want to tell us that Ireland and its people are terrible.

    Well its an easy fix, if they dont like us and our country they can go back home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Most indigenous Irish don't like the far right either. No easy fix for that I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭briangriffin


    Statistically irish people will be a minority at some stage in this century given the cumulative immigration figures of the past 20 + years and projections forward. Our rate of immigration and our rate of demographic change is one of the largest in Europe for the past generation, its accelerated exponentially since 2020. Would you consider that an issue when it happens?

    Immigration is not necessarily bad it hasn't been bad for ireland but mass immigration to a country with a housing and infrastructure crisis and public expenditure spiralling out of control is bad. It leads to all sorts of problems with a lack of services lack of integration and social cohesion between natives and newcomers. The quietest people in this country are the 25 (62% living at home) to 35 year olds many of whom are living at home with their parents with their lives on hold because they can't afford to buy a house build a house or rent a house. https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0127/1493144-cso-growing-up-survey/#:~:text=62%25%20of%2025%2Dyear%2D,with%20parents%20due%20to%20finances There is no alternative government to FF FG for the majoirty of irish voters.

    In 2023 a little over 30,000 homes were built last year 2024 a little over 31,000 houses were built, in 2025 less than 30,000 are now predicted to be built. Immigration to ireland up to April 2024 was 80,000 up to April 2023 it was 78,000 we don't yet have figures for April 2025 but it has been suggested they are similar to 2024. Thats almost one quarter of a million people in 3 years. When we built around 90,000 houses and have a backlog of between 200,000 to 300,000 houses with zero immigration. We have one of the most severe housing shortages of any developed country we have a deficit of tradesmen a lack of private finding and the most

    Then there is asylum claims and the vast swathes of money being spent on IPAS accomadation and associated costs, the majoirty of whom the head of GNIB says are economic migrants. The minister for justice says 80% of whom fail in their application at first instance. The absolutely ludicrous situation where IPAS centers are foisted on communities. The impact that doing this has had on social cohesion. Since 2022 cumulatively over 50,000 applications were made for asylum without taking family reunification into account.

    People granted asylum are leaving IPAS accomadation to enter homeless accomadation because there are no houses for them. 33,000 are living in IPAS accomadation many of whom have been granted asylum but have no where else to go, others are asked to leave only to enter emergency homeless accomadation. One of the most profitable industries in ireland now is the IPAS accomadation business and multi billion industry that encourages human trafficking.

    My question is simple it is where are the 80,000 immigrants annually entering the country and the 50,000 ipas and homeless people living in emergency accomadation going to live when they leave it if we are building 30,000 houses annually?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,609 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,356 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    How many generations are posters expecting before somebody can call themselves Irish? Posters on here are so incredibly inconsistent, they'll complain about failure to integrate but if the person's appearance doesn't match their expected vision of an Irish, they'll reject them as Irish. It's a bit sad that it irks them so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Pfft those facts, figures, and reasonable questions are just far right

    Let’s do nothing instead



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,038 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's bad faith. It's like when people in the UK whine about small boats knowing full well that there are no legal routes for those people to take.

    The integration narrative is a lie as well. We can see that from various examples from the fawning over scum like Philip Dwyer and Derek Blighe to the hysterically shrieking over the Indian fella in Letterkenny who took on a ceremonial role nobody knew existed until that point. To me that's a perfect example of integration but any time you see such an example, the goalposts get moved and the eventual destination is that only white people can be Irish and that we're all getting replaced by George Soros or the Reverse Vampires or whoever.

    Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of Irish people are above this crap. We can see it in the pathetic showing of Nazis and far right candidates in elections.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,498 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Well my fix is easy to solve so that's half the battle.

    Meanwhile you keep working on how to get rid of this far right boogeyman the left seems to fear so much.

    Apart from a handful of people like Justin Barrett there is no far right in Ireland.

    Roddy O Gorman has done more damage to this country than the likes of Barrett posting stuff on X could have ever done.

    Just proves when the left get into government they are the real danger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Most Irish people have never met a member of the far-right I think you mean, as they are such a tiny group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If you've no irish ethnicity in you then you will never be ethnically Irish. As per above Japanese example. He will never be ethnically Japanese and he accepts that.

    Does that mean someone born in Ireland to parents born in Ireland are not Irish? No, of course not. It simply means they are not ethnically Irish and thats ok.

    My issue with the certain parts of the populace is that stating the above is considered racist.

    Even on this site only a few weeks ago before they realised they were bankrupt id be getting banned for mentioning it.

    Facts these days are labelled racism/racist by certain people. Its madness and it dilutes the true meaning of the word racist/racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    That might differ if your bar for what constitutes “far right” is anything right of Paul Murphy



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I asked this question before. It’s hard to get an answer.

    I’m 89% Irish and my wife is 22% Irish (DNA tests).

    Are my kids Irish? They burn easily in the sun and love Tayto. So I say yes. But on of them wasn’t born in Ireland. So he can’t be native or indigenous. I’m not sure whether I can allow him to be Irish

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,462 ✭✭✭emo72


    Yeah, centre conservative is considered far right nowadays. It's madness, it's bizarre. It's like arguing with a 3 year old toddler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Delete

    Mod - warned for ignoring threadban

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    most “indigenous Irish” were wiped or interbred when the bell beaker people migrated from Galicia sometime in the bronze age


    They may have been fascists, but we’ll never know. They built decent tombs though.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I personally find it simple. But im a simple man.

    Ethnically Irish? Then you're ethnically Irish.

    Born and raised in Ireland? Then you're Irish born amd raised.

    Ethnically Irish and born and raised in Ireland?

    Then youre ethnically Irish and Irish born and raised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,126 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    There's no legal routes for people entering England on small boats because they have no legal claim to make for asylum.

    That's why they're called illegal immigrants.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭dublin49


    Farage will force Stammer into drastic anti immigration actions which in turn will lead to a push factor to us here.

    This will accentuate the difference between the feeling on the ground that immigration is out of control and the Government's pro immigration approach.

    I think the Government has very successfully managed the illusion there is support for their management of this issue by muzzling RTE and somehow keeping the rest of the mainstreet media supportive in general.

    The more this gap widens the bigger the upheavel will be when it eventually is exposed.

    Not sure how it will happen,Maybe Aontu will get off the fence and start representing the silenced majority that want serious action taken rather than the stunts like a few deportation flights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Claiming asylum is completely legal under international and UK law even if someone arrives on a small boat. And loads of those lads who came that way actually ended up getting refugee status because they actually have legit claims.

    And please don’t use the word "lefty" in your reply as it's super cringe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Ah the old "theres no such thing as far right", straight out of the far right playbook.

    "One member suggests a plan for a viral messaging campaign to promote the claim that, just like leprechauns and four-leaf clovers, the idea of an Irish far-right is a myth. “We could take all the power out of their spell words and folks ... make no mistake, words like far right are literal spells.”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2023/03/12/ireland-first-becomes-a-political-party-but-will-anyone-vote-for-it/

    And for the predictable, "whats the far right" responses... You are on the internet and dictionary.com is only a click away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 474 ✭✭redunited


    This is why they keep their culture, why we have Indian or African days because they do not feel Irish, they still feel from their roots. The problem is over here liberals want our culture to change and become more diverse yet those who celebrate their foregin culture are never asked to diverse.

    Post edited by redunited on


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