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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    This ^ If this was any other country a task force would have been despatched months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    What the UN says is meaningless. Israel supporters have already been told the UN is full of members of Hamas so they think the UN, and every other organisation who says Gaza is suffering, is just antisemitic.

    The fact that the UN says there is a famine will simply be validation that there 100% must not be a famine. Maybe they will call for the IDF to invade Gaza harder so Israelis can enjoy all the delicious red velvet cakes Gazans are munching down for brunch.

    There are people on this thread so fưcking retarded, they'd believe that and support it. If the Jerusalem Post said that Hamas were hiding a red velvet in their mother's vagina, they would give the go ahead for Bibi to invade it personally. They just lick up anything they are told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,681 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Zio bots are out in force on social media denying the famine, but I do think these type of headlines are hugely stark for the regime - most right thinking people globally are going to be appalled and not pay much attention to what Israel and assorted far right racists and bigots are saying about the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The problem for Israel is they have been caught out lying again and again and again.

    No-one, other than their staunchest supporters, believes a word they say. No-one.

    Their supporters regurgitate the lies and no-one believes them either.

    Every single report coming out of Israel can be fact-checked, debunked with corroborating evidence and proven to be lies.

    "We care about the hostages"

    "There is no starvation/famine in Gaza"

    "We provide ample warnings to civilians to avoid collateral damage"

    "We will not occupy Gaza"

    "There is no Genocide"

    "The most moral army in the world"

    "The only democracy in the Middle East"

    Israel - Genocidal Terrorist Pariah State and a stain on humanity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Who would be doing the invading? Do you propose that Irish Troops are part of this 'intervention'?

    The fact is that Europe is weak and has little hard power, and its eyes are on Ukraine and Russia. So its not going to rock that boat given that Europe is dependent on American support for peace in Ukraine and to stave off any Russian attacks in Europe/EU itself.

    Welcome to Realpoltic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Listened to this the other day, quite an interesting take on Hamas.

    https://www.economist.com/podcasts/2025/08/15/a-farewell-to-arms-hamas-considers-its-options


    It seems they are at a breaking point, with many inside the group willing to surrender and give up its arms, and become a normal political force. Its 'allies' are also losing patience with them. Most agree that they are a spent force, with little future, and their rule has been a disaster for the Palestinian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,344 ✭✭✭plodder


    Don't know if this has been mentioned before. I get that people want to be seen as "doing something" no matter how small. But, have any of these people looked into what exactly the connection between Allianz is and the situation in Palestine? What does "involved in sustaining and paying for Israel's actions in the Palestinian territories" actually mean?

    One thing the report says is:

    Allianz holds at least $7.3 billion and AXA, despite some divestment decisions, still invests at least $4.09 billion in tracked companies named in the present report.

    Some of the other "tracked" companies include Volvo and Hyundai who supply the actual machinery used to demolish Palestinian homes. Does it not make more sense to go after those companies first, rather than the more tenuously linked investors in those companies? Maybe the people calling on the GAA to do something here should look at the cars they are driving, and if their pensions are invested in the (many) other companies identified in the report?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0820/1529369-gaa-protest-palestine/

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,681 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Let's say famine was declared in Moldova or Albania and it was believed the Moldovan or Albanian governments and military were causing the famine and deliberately starving the population. Would the EU and others just sit back and say 'Nothing to do with us, Guv' and just let the people starve away?

    Yugoslavia was bombed by NATO for three months in 1999 for killing minorities within its borders and for carrying out ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,894 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Famine declared in Gaza, UN secretary general states " a failure of humanity " obviously includes the whole rules based system. What shame !

    Israel rejects calling it false and biased.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Let's say famine was declared in Moldova or Albania and it was believed the Moldovan or Albanian governments and military were causing the famine and deliberately starving the population. Would the EU and others just sit back and say 'Nothing to do with us, Guv' and just let the people starve away?

    There is a famine going on in Sudan right now, in fact more people have died there than Gaza, but you dont really hear all that much about it. Should the West intervene there too?

    Do you want Irish troops intervening and put in harm's way?

    Yugoslavia was bombed by NATO for three months in 1999 for killing minorities within its borders and for carrying out ethnic cleansing.

    And who led the bombing? Hint, it was not the Brits, Germans or French… it was William Jefferson Clinton who drove it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You're way behind the times. Hamas have been a busted flush for over a year now and well and truly out of the picture for a long time. Discussed at length here.

    Equally, the rule of Likud and the far right parties plus the IDF have been an utter disaster for Israel - headed up by an alleged War Criminal (at large) with a convicted terrorist minister in charge of State Security and he and the finance minister on the ICC radar.

    They'll never wash off the stain of Genocide and War Crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You're way behind the times. Hamas have been a busted flush for over a year now and well and truly out of the picture for a long time. Discussed at length here.

    They should release the hostages so, and give up their arms. Simple.

    There can be peace then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Disingenuous twisting of a post there.

    Intervention is not "invading". The only "invaders" are the IDF carrying out their orders to demolish Gaza, murder civilians and starve to death whoever is left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You're still going with "But Hamas" after all this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Randycove




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,449 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    When HAMAS launched the attacks do you think they factored this in as a likely outcome? They must have been convinced the combination of Hezbollah and Iran would have helped them out more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I was going to make the point that pro Israelis have been thin on the ground of late. Simply because there is nothing left to make any kind of robust and cogent argument in support of the Israeli campaign.

    Seems there's a few die-hard genocide supporters about - hiding behind the "realpolitik" now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Israel and the Americans would see it as an invasion, but please do tell how we 'intervene' directly without crossing the national boundaries of Israel or Egypt. Are you saying that the Egyptians will be happy to allow an EU army of sorts use its national territory as a launching pad into Gaza?

    Also, why are Europeans getting involved? Why won't the Arab states do this invasion, sorry, 'intervening'?

    Lastly, do you want the Irish army to be part of this group?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Which they have offered to do for over a year now. But that would spoil the Israeli murder spree.

    And no, it's delusional to think there would be peace after releasing the hostages. The final solution is in full flow now - no stopping it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    A 'peaceful' one, apparently, that Israel will allow, apparently…. with no cost to life or limb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,894 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Economic would suffice, if countries put on a fraction of the sanctions they are applying to others around the world Israel's economy would collapse in weeks. Hell, some countries are being sanctioned for not voting how others think they should, so surely forced starvation of 2 million should get some also.

    It's right like !

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Good question.

    Israel to withdraw all military and settlers to 1967 borders and pay reparations. Funnily enough, the ICJ said exactly the same thing over a year ago.

    Allow full aid into Gaza managed by the UN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,049 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    No, they have not. You seem misguided.

    Hamas has never agreed to lay down its arms and release all the hostages unconditionally. If you disagree, please find me a relevant, independently sourced article.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,372 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They just dont want to talk about the famine. They just argue the points that they think are worthwhile. And famine is not something that even they can defend, so everything is a bit Hamas.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    They should stop bombing tents, starving kids , murdering civilians.

    Dirty Israeli and IDF Scum - Its a real pity Irans bombardments didnt have more effect in stopping the Genocide of civilians.

    The UN needs to enforce a no fly zone today and send in an armed force to keep Israel from wiping out Palestine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It was Israel that reneged on the ceasefire deal in March.

    I've posted plenty of corroborated articles. Go back through the thread and read them - you might find it an education rather than simply regurgitating the Hasbara.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,681 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's believed Hamas offered to release all the hostages very soon after October 7th, but the Israelis refused the offer. The first couple of weeks of bombing of Gaza by Israel were probably purely out of revenge, but it may be that 'the final solution to the Gaza question' quickly began to formulate with Netanyahu and his cabinet. It's extremely unlikely that Hamas foresaw two years of bombing, widespread displacement, famine etc when they planned October 7th (even if they were looking for a forceful reaction of some kind).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    UN humanitarian orgs entering Gaza would be an invasion?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You are the same lad that tried to convince everyone a few months ago that Israel had no intention of taking over any of Gaza. Have you smelled the coffee yet?

    Question: do you think the people of Gaza are starving now?



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