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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,690 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We are not obsessed with Palestine. We are free from the obsession that kings and empires have a right to dominate colonists.

    We side with freedom from oppression. The British, French, Dutch, Portuguese, Ottoman, Roman etc culture is formed by the idea that empire is good. In Ireland we identify with anti imperialism.

    (Not all of us, but there are arseholes in every society)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Not really, they were fond of S. African flags while they were under apartheid also Ku Klux flags, sure there were more but always on the wrong side of history unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    you only have to read a few of their posts to realise your assertion is correct



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Look, I'm not trying to start a row and I take your word on your knowledge. But if you or anyone else is prepared to state that what the British did in Ireland is any less excusable than what Israel is doing in gaza and the west Bank then I think you are wrong. Look it up over the centuries, millions they killed, murdered, starved and stole their land. Much like what Israel is at for sure and at least as bad.

    Add to that their total colonisation all over the world, there's no comparison in truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,089 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    What? We have clearly seen genocidal intent in Gaza therefore it meets the legal definition. I remember Anthony Blinkin determining Genocide was taking place in Sudan but not Gaza. If you read the quote, and I took out the references to Sudan, he was also perfectly describing the same situation occurring in Gaza but for some reason could not come to the same conclusion. Also remember the idea that just because you have the means to kil everybody, but don't do so, does not mean you aren't engaging in Genocide. If we look through history many genoicides were incremental and didn't include wiping out a whole population- it was enough that the guilty had the intention to destroy in part those people. We see clearly some senior Israeli figures have engaged in genocidal speeches and the actions on the ground back this up. If Smotrich and Ben Gvir have their way Gaza will be annexed and Palestinians will be forcibly removed. I wonder should this play out will you spin it as the Palestinians voluntarily leaving or accept what is happening. I will be pleasantly surprised if you call it out given the lengths you are going to defend what's going in currently in Gaza.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    If you are willing to go back centuries then you can criticise pretty much every society on the planet for their wars, barbarism, attempts at genocide etc. I mean the Mongols were a pretty savage imperialistic bunch back in the day. I'd say there were a few ancient Irish tribes/kingdoms that engaged in a fair bit of mass killing, rape and slavery.

    Comparing the Brits in Ireland to Israel in Palestine since the end WWII or the start of the Troubles is chalk and cheese.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Talk to the republicans in Northern Ireland. Talk to the people who had children killed by both sides and while not on a scale like Israel in Gaza just as hateful in its own right. Look even at British support for Israel. They, like the rest of the world are standing by while this goes on, providing intelligence even as well as having supplied military equipment. FFs yiz d praise the devil himself if yiz thought it'd make a point to grab a few thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,669 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You could definitely make a case for genocide with the Nazis and the Israelis. Both taking over the others land, starving the people to death and putting them into death camps. I don't know if the Nazis actually shot the children when they were starving though as the Gas Chambers did that work for them. Both the leaders had the same mindset though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    And you're creating a strawman to argue with.

    No-one excused anyone of anything. You're inferring that.

    I said and I repeat:

    "Fuckers and all as the Brits were as our overlords, we can at least say they weren't as savage as the Israelis. They've taken occupation to a completely different level. They are total **** monsters."

    Given that the Israeli's have dropped upwards of 7 nuclear bombs worth of explosives on an enclave the size of Carlow I think that's a pretty valid statement to make….

    You even agreed FFS….

    "while not on a scale like Israel in Gaza"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    You seem to be arguing against a point I'm not making. I was say the British in NI post WWII (when Israel was founded) and especially during the Troubles are not comparable to Israel and Palestine over the same period and especially the last couple of years when talking about death, destruction and laws suppressing people's rights. Its chalk and cheese.

    I made no mention of Britain's position on the current war and their military support for Israel. That's a different topic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Then you butted into a post that you had no idea where it started from? Your the 2nd poster that has reversed from the point I made. That anyone claiming the British weren't as bad in Ireland as the Israelis are in Gaza are wrong. Forced to deoccupy so many of their territories more than having given them up. The Israeli state is sitting on land the British gave them even, they had it colonised prior to Israels inception. If you want to say they're saints now then fire away, but you're all wrong on them and indeed they have been criticised loads on this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    Declaration by Israeli finance minister emphasises actions not words. The smirk on the pr!ck's face

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-approves-e1-settlement-smotrich-says-palestinian-state-being-erased



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Latest snippets from Haaretz:

    • The killing of Hamas terrorists continues unabated
    • Majority of Americans support recognition of the State of Palestine and that Israel's campaign has been excessive
    • Australia tears alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) a new one and Australian Jews support it
    • Majority of Germans support the suspension of arms to Israel
    • Orthodox rabbis excoriate Israel

    The Palestinian Wafa news agency reported that a family of five, three of them children, was killed in an attack on a tent in the Al-Shati camp in western Gaza City. A strike on a building housing displaced Gazans in Zaitoun killed four members of one family. In Khan Yunis, three people were killed in a strike, including a 3-month-old baby. The Hamas-run Health Ministry reported that three Palestinians died due to issues relating to hunger and malnutrition in the past 24 hours .

    Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe that all UN member states should recognize Palestine, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll. 65 percent of respondents said the U.S. should take action in Gaza to help people facing starvation and 59 percent of Americans believe that Israel's military response in Gaza has been excessive.

    After Netanyahu dubbed Australia's prime minister "a weak politician who betrayed Israel" on Tuesday, Anthony Albanese told reporters he does not "take these things personally, I engage with people diplomatically. He has had similar things to say about other leaders." Australia's Interior Minister Tony Burke told Radio National that "strength is not measured by how many people you can blow up or how many children you can leave hungry."

    The Executive Council of Australian Jewry, representing the country's Jewish community, blamed Netanyahu for engaging in a "clumsy intervention into Australia's domestic politics." Netanyahu's attack, the letter said, "demonstrated a woeful lack of understanding of social and political conditions in Australia" and "played straight into the hands of opponents of Israel and antisemites, to the detriment of the Australian Jewish community."

    Nearly two-thirds of Germans support Chancellor Friedrich Merz's decision to partially suspend arms exports to Israel, according to a YouGov survey conducted for dpa, which found that 65 percent of respondents backed the move, while 19 percent opposed it and 16 percent were undecided.

    "Over 80 Orthodox rabbis – including chief rabbis past and present of several countries – signed a petition released on Tuesday urging Israel to address the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza and condemn settler violence in the West Bank. Calling the crisis in Gaza 'one of the most severe in recent history,' the rabbis state that Israel is not absolved 'from assuming its share of the responsibility for the profound suffering of Gaza's civilian population'" – Linda Dayan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    As posted earlier by @z80CPU the E1 plan is full steam ahead.

    It seems Israel has a taste for Genocide now and they're going to crack on into 2026 - the final solution is shaping up nicely.

    But given only 30% of reservists currently respond on being called up, the blood lust may not be sated for a good while. Though who needs reservists when starving the population to death is so much cheaper and easier.

    Macron still verbally pushing back and like all EU leaders, its all talk and no action.

    Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz said he approved the IDF plan to occupy Gaza City, adding that he also greenlit a plan to "accommodate" Gaza City residents who are expected to be pushed towards southern Gaza when the offensive begins. Senior IDF officials said that around 130,000 reservists will be called up for the operation, and that the fighting is expected to continue into 2026.

    French President Emmanuel Macron said that he spoke with the leaders of Egypt and Jordan, and that they all agreed that Israel's plan to take over Gaza City will lead to a "complete disaster for both peoples," and would "drag the region into a permanent war." Macron added that all three believe that the war can only end with a permanent cease-fire including the release of all hostages, the delivery of humanitarian aid into Gaza, Hamas' disarmament, and bolstering the Palestinian Authority .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


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    https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1mvivzi/gazans_receive_moldy_food_in_air_dropped_aid/

    The /r/israel subreddit as usual is circling hell. If you ever want to see what a human looks like on the far opposite of the sprectum you are on, go there for a gander.

    They're just pathetic victims.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,932 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Apologies for not reading this thread's history. But I want to ask: is the world going to sit back and watch this happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The world has consistently condemned what Israel has done, is doing and plans to do.

    And it has done nothing tangible to actually stop Israel from perpetrating some of the worst war crimes seen.

    Israelis themselves are about the only people who can do anything - they are protesting en mass but even that has not stopped the murderous juggernaut.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,055 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Netanyahus crusade to eradicate the Palestine peoples is not based on any ideology but simply down to personal revenge for his older brother's death. Bibi doesn't give two sh!ts about what the Israeli people think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    And so it begins - the final solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,669 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The GAA now beginning action against Alliance Insurance over the Occupied Palestinian Territories report -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0820/1529369-gaa-protest-palestine/

    Great stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭mountain


    unfortunately the world, eg USA will do nothing, Trump will keep shipping the weapons in,

    Europe will tut tut about it, and Israel will flatten what little is left, and Israeli settlers will move in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,669 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ursula von der Leyden is a disgrace and clearly backs what Netanyahu and Trump are going for. I can't stand the woman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Is the US just "protecting" Netanyahu or is it also protecting Putin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,687 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They're effectively a lawless state at this point, just like their Israeli pals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭mountain


    there are Israeli government members, who are rubbing their hands at the new assault,

    The phrase,

    Kill them all and let God sort them out,

    Comes to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The US government was delighted when the ICC indicted Putin. They were singing the praises of the court, saying how important it was a legitimate step in international justice.
    When the same court indicted Netanyahu they lambasted the court and sanctioned its judges.
    They are so transparently hypocritical to have not only lost international respect but their own dignity.

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    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭h2005


    So much for them becoming a pariah state. As long as the yanks, and they will, continue to back them they won’t care. What they are doing is pure evil and effectively the US cheers it on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,635 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I can't stand seeing Rubio. There is the face of a man who has completely sold his soul and lost his own self respect but just continues on down the dark path for expediency. A massive ****.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,687 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The US itself under Trump is a pariah state to all intents and purposes. Israel's one ally in the world is a schoolyard bully.



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