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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Folks, I've the wheels in motion for a solar shed project. The plan is 2 x 2000w 4 mppt micro-inverters with 8 450w+ panels.

    I've sourced the inverters and I have a BOM for what I need in terms of panels, rails and incidentals.

    I fully appreciate that as I'm going down the self install route on this that I'm VAT liable.

    What I'm after is a recommendation for a supplier that offers reasonable pricing and won't screw me on delivery, 1 example currently has a delivery charge of €250 for 8 panels and incidentals.

    I'm thinking drop an email to Midlands renewables and other Limerick & Midwest based suppliers. So any recommendations on potential suppliers will be much appreciated.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Panels due to their size, will be a pallet delivery.

    That's how much a pallet delivery usually is these days unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭Buffman


    If would be a lot cheaper to collect yourself if you have access to a decent size trailer or GoCar rent vans for €15/HR or €75/day.

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    250 for a pallet delivery is mental but TBF, all prices are getting that way these days. Was out for dinner yesterday at a pub and an 8oz rib eye was €37 😮

    Good shout on GoCar, I don't have a tow hitch and despite my car being fairly big, panels wouldn't fit in the boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    To close this out, a local installer dropped me a message on foot of my post over on the Solar FB group. Everything sorted for a reasonable price and €59 to hire a van for pick up.

    Happy days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Is the ESB Networks site down for anyone else? Haven't been able to login for a few days now.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Yeah it's under maintenance. Don't know for how long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 yulasinio


    Hey. Was the electrician friend of yours? Would like to do the same but I'm afraid I won't find anyone singing the NC6 for us.

    We currently have a small PV system that came with the house, 5 panels and inverter rated at 1.2kWh I think. I would like to upgrade this system replacing the existing panels with 24 new ones, hybrid inverter and DIY battery as per the sticky here.

    Would appreciate any pointers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭serox_21


    No, I think I found him on donedeal. It was not easy, most of the registered electricians did not want to do the job. I think It took me about 2 weeks and 10-15 calls to find one that was willing to do this job.

    But if you already have a solar system installed you should have a MEC(allowed to export and get payed for it) registered with ESB.
    Check your ESB Networks account, if there is a MEC available on your account you might not need a NC6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 yulasinio


    Thanks for the reply.

    We are MEC registered but only for 1kVA and was told that if we are to expand that we need to fill in another NC6 with latest capacity etc.

    Do you have his number/Donedeal details by any chance? That's if he's in Dublin.

    Still testing the waters but if I can go DIY is definitely the better route + that I can use the best combination of panels, inverter, battery to suit us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Noob cable question?

    Still plenty of work to be done on the thinking side of this project but I'd like to have one string of panels on a shed roof and another about 25 meters away on a ground mount. The inverter will be very close to the string on the roof. Panel size restrictions mean I'd have a max of 3kw in each string.

    What do I need to be thinking about for cabling a string with at least 25 meters of cable between it and the inverter? It seems far to easy to just be able to run 4mm cable that far?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Shouldn't be any issue with a 4mm cable, that's not that long of a run really

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    DC solar cable and not SWA, just in case there was confusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    That begs the question at what point does it become a long run? ;-)

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Think @graememk has a 60m run from memory?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    Thats helpful as it makes planning much easier. I was expecting to have to use heavier cables?

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭10-10-20




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    About that, but the majority of it is on a 5 core 6mm2 swa.

    From roof to fireman switch it's on 4mm2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    I've got a 12V system running and with the panels in parallel voltage drop increases very quickly with the higher current so thought I better check if it was an issue with longer runs with the panels in series.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Big difference in a 12v system and a 400v system!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,010 ✭✭✭The Continental Op




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Just to follow on from this

    Looking a ground based system and are putting ducting in place

    I can have the inverter pretty close to the panels ie c 6-8 meters or out to 60 meters

    In terms of pricing/performance/ losses etc

    Which cable should be the shorter?

    Also for battery charging is it down stream from the inverter ie 240v AC

    Also I see mention of fireman switch is that beside the panels ie DC?

    The battery side will have one as well…

    Thanks as always

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Solar-Lplate


    Good afternoon … Newcomer to Boards and to Solar PV. Please let me know if I have posted to the wrong area.

    I am getting a Solar PV system installed in a few weeks, all panels going on a south facing roof (no shadow issues) - 16 x 440W panels (7.04 kWp) and a Sigenergy Sigenstor EC 5.0 SP 5kW hybrid inverter. My question relates to attaching the panel string/s to the inverter MPPTs. The installer plans to put all 16 panels on one MPPT. Having read the specs on the panels & inverter I am unsure if this is the correct thing to do. Should I get the installer to put all 16 in one string attached to one MPPT OR split the panels 8 to each of the two MPPTs? My concern is the voltage from the panels in cold weather being over the limit for the inverter.

    • Inverter MPPT Voltage range is 50-550 volts, with MAX DC input voltage of 600 on the inverter
    • Panel Open circuit voltage (Voc) is 35.35 volts at STC (16 x 35.35 = 565 volts), which is over MPPT limit
    • In cold weather (we often get -6 or-7C in winter) which would add approx. 10% more to voltage making it 622 volts

    Any views or help welcome.

    Many thanks,

    Peter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    No debate there, there is no benefit to not splitting the panels over both and you might have warranty issues otherwise. You do not have to have uniform counts per MPPT either, you can decide on counts per string as you wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭morrough


    hi, we got old roll back meter changed on 08.08.25 and have had solars since March. Floras are billing us over €350 for estimated readings prior to changeover and have also sent a follow on bill for august export credit which the kWh figure is less than half of what the solar app says. Two questions (1) what rights do I have regarding the estimated readings and (2) how can we verify the correct feed in kWh? Do I need to contact ESB?
    thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I'm fairly sure that each MPPT can only take 5.0kW, so you'll either have to split or be clipped up to 2kW.

    Also, who are you getting those panels from? I would've thought that 460W+ would be the norm for panels now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Solar-Lplate


    Thanks to you both for the quick replies, much appreciated.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    First of all sign up for a ESB networks account, it's free.

    You can see a history of your meter reads there.

    Also can see your use, even if your not on a smart tariff.

    Flogas gets the estimated reads from ESBN networks, flogas don't do the estimates themselves.

    Once you see the meter reads, might be able to make head or tail of it.

    You may have ended up with a reading lower than your previous reading



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ilikesleeves


    Question regarding expanding existing setup: I have a flat roof facing south with 4 panels (string1) wired to the inverter with 5 panels (string2) on west facing pitched roof.

    During renovation/install I missed out the opportunity to max the flat roof string due to SEAI distance rules, etc.

    Is there any reason I can't (or shouldn't) self install a few more panels to string1? System is a rebranded kstar inverter with associated 5kwh battery, etc etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,652 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    None as long as you can match the panels and the orientation.



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