Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

When there is a work permit system that only looks for proffessionals naturally they will outperform Irish residents .

It's a Ponzi scheme.

Growth - > Complex & Consequential

Immigration - > Consequential

The only reason we would have a problem turning away thousand of fake asylum seekers and foreign middle classes is fear if the consequences e. G. Falling foul of human rights obligations, EU obligations, the wrath of the far left, the fuelling of the far right. We have full control over those policies but cannot countenance the consequences. We can't really control what growth does, you can make a pro-growth policy and a financial crisis will smash it to pieces.

I would argue however that immigration provides growth for only two cohorts out of three. The immigrating benefit, Ranelagh et al continues to benefit and everyone else loses.

Month after month, at a rate of about 2,000, they have formed the largest and most consistent group of migrants moving here in recent years....but they have nice food so it's perfectly fine according to some.

How would you go about reducing economic growth? I could never think of a way of doing it that would keep everyone happy.

No-one could possibly be happy about that but they may accept it because they understand they are not trading away their nation in a vain attempt to scale the rat race.

Deliberately slowing down the economy is not the point. The point is that unless we further embrace immigration the economy will slow down naturally becuase we don't have the resources to keep it growing. You don't have to slow down the economy you just slow down immigration and deal as best you can with the consequences. In the end the hope is that you retain social cohesion and end up with some sort of prosperity, somewhere between a little and a lot.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ciara Kelly 'not in anyway right leaning'.

I've heard it all now. If you think Ciara Kelly isn't right leaning then you've gone so far to the right that you have zero awareness of who is right or left.

Pretending some right-wingers were never right-wingers to in someway validate their point is truly pathetic.

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I have always said we need to find a way of living that doesn't require growth and consuming more and more, I used to be called a communist on here for saying this until everyone started freaking out about immigration.

It seems like that whenever new jobs are added to the economy we need immigration to fill them.

What is the point of multinationals moving facilities to Ireland and then the country has to import workers to fill the jobs, this doesn't really benefit Irish people.

Be far better off to just move their facilities to places that can fill the roles without having to get immigrants to do it.

The balance has gone too far the other way I think at this stage.

Very little of what we have done in this country i the last 15 years has led to an improvement in the lives of Irish people, we're genuinely heading toward being like a North Atlantic version of the UAE,Qatar,Singapore where we've loads of jobs , lots of wealth on paper but an excessive high level of immigrants living here, I'm not sure that's really what Irish people want (but at least those type of societies have the sense not to hand out social welfare and citizenship like it's confetti). We need to try and reduce our reliance on FDI develop more homegrown industry and act more like a country and society rather than a corporation.

Our Social Welfare bill keeps increasing, we went from 2,113,860 in 2015 to 2,416,223 in 2024.

Thats an increase of 14.3% or 302,263.

The biggest increases in those figures are from the following,

Domicillary Care Allowance, up 104%

Illness, Disability and Care Giving up 33%

Pensioners up 31%

The total welfare bill has gone from €19,9 Billion in 2015 to €27 Billion today

Our Population has increased around 12% over this period. So welfare increases 14%, population increases 12%.

The figures would suggest we are not importing a lot of problems when it comes to social welfare.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/07/11/some-24m-people-were-receiving-social-protection-payments-last-year/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2025/07/11/some-24m-people-were-receiving-social-protection-payments-last-year/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

you prove that it hasn’t you have the answer for everything so it should be easy