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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,653 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123732533#Comment_123732533

    Said this before but I struggle to see how she emerged so smotthly as the consensus candidate

    Said this before but I struggle to see how she emerged so smotthly as the consensus candidate of the left unless people were looking for the 'natural successor to Michael D' in the most superficial way. Multiple left-wing figures of her generation who IMO would have made more compelling candidates: Catherine Murphy, Fergus Finlay, Ruairi Quinn, Marian Harkin, Dick Spring…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,387 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Murphy would never have got Labour backing, Quinn would never have got SD backing, Harkin would likely not have got either and hence struggle to 20 Oireachtas members and she's a Junior Minister currently so unlikely to go. Also don't consider her particularly left of centre either…

    Finlay and Spring are much too old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Speaking of comparison to England;

    COVID-19 Deaths Per Capita: Ireland vs UK

    2020:

    • UK had significantly higher COVID-19 death rates than Ireland
    • By the end of 2020, the UK had recorded approximately 97 deaths per 100,000 people
    • Ireland recorded approximately 44 deaths per 100,000 people

    2021:

    • The gap narrowed somewhat, but the UK continued to have higher rates
    • UK added approximately 81 additional deaths per 100,000
    • Ireland added approximately 55 additional deaths per 100,000

    2022:

    • Both countries saw reduced mortality rates compared to previous years
    • UK added approximately 40 additional deaths per 100,000
    • Ireland added approximately 30 additional deaths per 100,000

    Throughout the pandemic, Ireland generally maintained lower per capita death rates than the UK, which may be attributed to differences in population density, healthcare system capacity, timing and nature of public health interventions, and other factors.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    It's not so much that he has one, more how it was awarded and the constitution….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Once the Soc Dems and PBP backed Connolly, Labour was left with no choice.

    They simply don't have the numbers to nominate anyone on their own, either through the Oireachtas or their Councillors. And with the Soc Dems and PBP committed, the only other path would have been to get together with Sinn Féin.

    But seeing as Sinn Féin rebuffed Ivana Bacik's overtures to put together a pan-socialist front of sorts, both before and after the election, the Labour leader absolutely could not approach them again, without her leadership credentials being questioned (if they weren't being already)

    And so that is how Labour were left with the distasteful final option of backing a woman who as a member had caused them no end of trouble with her indiscipline.

    Although it wasn't their only option, was it?They could have done nothing. And talking to a couple of Labour activitists I know in my own area and nationally, there was quite strong opposition internally to backing her, led by a certain Tipperary TD.



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,670 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's the Soc Dems that baffle me more than anything.

    Why rush out the gate with a nomination of someone who isn't even in their party. It's like they skipped on the due diligence in favour of getting out there first to be seen as leaders rather than followers.

    I honestly think SF have been left in a really tough spot here as a result. They know that Connolly is a terrible candidate who cannot win, and so are reluctant to row in behind. On the other hand, their own candidate will not be able to win with Connolly there to split their potential vote.

    The Soc Dems rushing Connolly has put a big dent in the chances of getting someone from the left elected.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Honestly , Mary-Lou McD is probably the only SF candidate that would have a shot at winning and it wouldn't be a gimme by any means, she still could lose

    I just can't see her taking that risk.

    Michelle O'Neil isn't a viable option either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The population density is the biggest factor there I think. Certainly around the world you could see places like New York had far worse outbreaks than more rural locations. Population age spread as well, if you had more older people your deaths per capita were going to be higher.

    I doubt it had much to do with our healthcare system capacity. I think we had (and still have) fewer hospital beds than the UK per capita

    Nobody in their right mind would argue against the early lockdowns either or the careful re-opening during 2020 but Tony making an early return to NPHET just before Christmas 2020 or his 8pm closures of pubs in December 2021 were completely ridiculous. All they did was serve to instill an unnecessary fear in the people he was meant to help, not exactly what I would expect from a doctor

    Trying not to delve too much into the stats from covid but it is generally accepted that he called for too many restrictions at the incorrect time



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,373 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: just to set a reminder that this thread is not a discussion on the covid lockdowns & restrictions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,912 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I don't care he has an OBE. I was asking where did the story that he's looking to run come from…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,152 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Labour could have publicly proposed a better candidate before Connolly moved they could have gotten the SDs on board with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Does it? From what deep throat did you get that titbit?

    In an unrelated matter entirely, it would be fun to have Pamela Anderson as bean chéile Uachtarán na hÉireann.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Because they are the most appallingly badly led party in the country. They've no strategy, no cohesion and no balls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You're just afraid of his intellect. And so you dismiss him. Insult him even.

    Arrogance is defined as displaying an exaggerated sense of one's own abilities or importance. But personally I feel he mostly came across as very self-aware and well pitched as a communicator. And he did have an extraordinary locker of abilities, which he displayed in public all as his wife was dying.

    That said, I know he wouldn't have made a good candidate, because I accept he could never have separated himself from his time as CMO. If I criticise him for anything, its that he sits on the board of An Taisce, the meddling eejits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,332 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    For me its his in-action with regards to Cervical Check which would have doomed him, he knew about multiple women not being told of their false-negative results and chose to do nothing about it.

    His arrogance of refusing to accept responsibility and then lying about this is what disgusts me the most about him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    He couldn't handle what would have been brought up about it and chickened out citing fear of personal abuse. It would have been dirty for sure on social media, but even in honest debate the cervical check scandal would have buried him. The fear of his intellectual scared no one, the fear of what was ahead no intellect could excuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,674 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He couldn't muster support to nominate him, blamed something else.

    Yeh, huge intellect if he thinks anyone is swallowing that press release tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭Martin567


    Afraid of his intellect! That's hilarious.

    Your definition of arrogance above is spot on and Holohan is the living embodiment of it. Absolutely no respect for anyone's opinion apart from his own and doesn't want his actions to be questioned by anyone.

    The fact he thought he was a suitable candidate for President is just a further demonstration of his self-importance/delusion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,332 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed he epitomises and is possibly even one of the worst examples of the stereotypical doctor "God complex".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 77 ✭✭Nightwing1862


    The thoughts of having to listen to the covid policies being rehashed for the next three months makes me very glad he's not running



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,152 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    The biggest question is who were these supporters of his (Tonys) who commissioned the poll?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The naked gun fifty five and a fifth - the fianna failures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its not a big question at all.

    Any eejit with ten grand can commission an opinion poll and ask whatever question they like. He may well know people that have been in and around politics now or previously and discussed it with them.

    He works at UCD and sits on multitudinous boards, so he's probably exposed, every day, to the sort of people that thought it was an idea worth exploring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,055 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I cannot think of a more insignificant, bland, cute hoor, zero substance, utterly misogynistic potential candidate than Sean Kelly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,674 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Whatever about the rest of your labels, he is certainly 'bland'. I want to go back to bed after listening to him on the radio there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,879 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    With the Healy Raes in government with FG I don't think the public will want Sean Kelly (FG) in the Aras. A day out of Kerry is a day wasted he said.

    Why does he want a FG contest for the role now when he didn't want the role 2 weeks ago? FG are making eejits of themselves now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,152 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Because there was a more popular candidate and he already has a job, then she declared was too ill to run…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,889 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'm glad he has decided to contest.

    He won't win, but it is important that the coverage shifts away from Connolly for a bit, ahead of the real campaign being called. She's had far too much of a clear run in the media over the last few weeks.



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