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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    There is €7000 per year saved here in meal for the beef animals from making very good silage over mediocre stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    you'll have the same amount of silage from 4cuts as you will from 3 cuts… in my experience grass will only grow so much and then turns to crap… happened here in 2023 2nd cut was 3weeks late due to bad weather… had no increase in yield just bad silage.. if you have your own equipment doing 4 cuts is a no brainer… the extra cut is questionable if its a contractor thats doing it… maybe if its bales and you have your own mower and draw them yourself it might be a runner.. just my opinion…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Load it all.into the cow box and off to tge local dump. About 350/ ton to dump stuff. I went with two loads in the last ten days. We are replacing the kitchen and got rid of the Stanley range.

    Usually take a load once a year latte autumn or early spring

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There are lads with trucks that move slurry for piggery. 6-7k gallons a time or more. They tend to be cheaper than tractors and tanks.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭cjpm


    I hope you took the Stanley to a scrap yard and not the dump!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    All steel is gathered and taken to the scrap yard whenever there us a load. I have two recycling bins that most of the plastic feed and fertlizer bags go into.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭straight


    A lad in our group couldn't wait for his first cut to grow this year. It only half filled the pit and has a load of nitrogen in it. He went back out with 80 units of fertiliser plus slurry and the second cut was light too. That cost him the extra fertiliser plus 170 euro per acre for the harvester plus labour and opening/recovering his pit. He's trying for a third cut no but it isn't growing with the dry weather. More fertiliser wasted.

    He's after running out of fertiliser allowance now, he's buffering the cows during summer and the advice is to buy straw or PK to stretch the silage. Some bollixing if you ask me anyway. Ya, it's better quality but at what cost. And any irish farmer feeding PK needn't open their mouth about origin green or grass fed. I won't be feeding it here.

    He's on the lookout to buy standing silage now too or to buy bales at 40 euro. He was at the same bollixing last year when the second cut didn't grow due to the cold/dry. It's all a big price to pay for an early first cut.

    I don't cut mine usually until the June bank holiday. Fertiliser wouldn't be out early enough anyway. Biggest problem I see is that I have a long wait for aftergrass. I have alot of surplus bales made this year and second cut of aftergrass from the outfarm. I have about 16 more acres of surplus to take off the milking block next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Oi, that was me. I'm suing you now for breach of copyright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    Just a heads up to check your fertilizer purchased on the National data Base. I had an entry of 1.5T of 18.6.12, wouldn't have passed much heed except it wasn't a full pallet. Rang supplier and somebody had collected 3 bags in yard and somehow it ended up on my register. It would have put me over my P allowance if it went unnoticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Oi, that was me. I'm suing you now for breach of copyright



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Access is poor and the lads that do it about here need loaded with an agitator which is slow too. It is an option for some lads though



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Apologies - I knew it was one of ye sensible lads 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭straight


    I think that's a nationwide saying. It's the person that doesn't make enough that goes broke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    That place was supposed to have been bought by a local high profile large dairy farmer last year, there must have been a hiccup.

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭straight


    Beat that ....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    I'd say she died on day 4 by the look of her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,300 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    She looks fooked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭daiymann 5


    Doubt it was an error someone tried to pull a fast one on you who goes and buys 3 50kg bags of 18 6 12.There was someone on here before mouthing erhe 2months ago that fert was going up in price well im still waiting for it to go up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,135 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I would not bet on it probably a bit shook after the three days. She is a big cow and in net energy loss after the three days. Bring her back to average 65%of that for a 300 day milking year it's 75 litres a day or 22300 per year. Physically she is a huge cow. Grain and ration are cheap at present. 80 such cows running st 10% less than the 22300 yield would deliver 1.6 million litres or nearly 800k euro this year.

    Admittedly they would only be walking from the milking parlour to the feedface and then to there cubicle

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,200 ✭✭✭straight


    She classified as an EX90 on their system. 🫣



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Its that time of year again when a fella tots up what fertiliser he has spread and what's left and all I ll say is if there was any doubt in my mind that the grass dairy model as we know it is finished, this morning s figures have wiped them out. I don't know what the future is but west cork is in big trouble if things continue as they arr going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭yewdairy


    Is that weather related or fertilizer limits?

    Best year ever here for grass growth, we did third cut last week not far off two years winter feed in the yard at the moment. All the paddocks have been cut at least once for surplus and most twice. We will use our allowance on fertilizer but nothing more. No issue with moisture defects and temperatures are running a couple of degrees ahead of normal

    Absolutely brilliant year here for grass based farming, if we continue on current output we won't be far off 530kg solids for the year on around a tonne of meal. A few years ago I wouldnt have thought the current profits levels were achievable.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    You mentioned this and I have been meaning to ask is how many of your cattle do you own.i ve no doubt they are all in your name and you get all the check but if to really own your cattle you should be able to pay all the bills before the money from them lands.its just something to be aware of in the next. Couple of years as yes you will be able to write the check for the heifers but the merchant credit will come calling after if its there and the first couple years of dairy are very cash tight



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Fert limits may work fine on good land but but I m now down to 2.5 kgs p over the whole farm,that's one bag of cut/pasture a year.we. ve a light hill farm very prone to drying out due to see breeze s so even if the p is there the grass can't get at it due to moisture. Also on hilly land the cow dung doesn't get distributed evenly so you ll get very uneven growth .People will get away for a bit by raping a bit of past fertility bit sooner or later it will show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    nitrogen limits aren’t really an issue for most I’d say …..p limits on other hand are and will be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    P limits are the killer . Im on really good free draining tillage land with index 3 and 4 and the difference in the silage ground that got p is enormous. Here's a pic of grass grazed 3 weeks ago that got 27 2.5 5 . Rain is seriously needed here . Opened the wholecrop pit this week. I'll be grazing this field in 2 weeks time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Does anyone here use whole crop in the diet for cows ? I was offered bales of it at €40\ bale. Am I better just to stick with good silage ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    I use it and find it great. Is it under sown with grass? Is it barley or wheat? Pest will probably be a problem with bales. Do you have a diet feeder? . I'd buy it and feed about 5/ 10 kg a cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    No diet feeder. Barley and peas undersown with grass. Do you feed it in the winter or spring time ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    If only there was ways to boost p availability...



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