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The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭mylestheslasher


    Why? For the greater good of Cavan football is why, or your 3 top players could spend their remaining inter county years in Div3 and Tailteann Cup.

    What you've outlined above is exactly why an "attack" from Crosserlough would make the county board sit up and listen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Sure playing at a lower level constantly might stop the county team trying to rush our players back and playing them injured all the time.

    I’m not sure why yas are up in arms. The Gowna Development Manager is vastly experienced compared to the last man appointed to the role and I don’t remember the same level of consternation on here 2 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭mylestheslasher


    So you are now happy with how the county board is run?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Always room for improvement. Realistically though you don’t see people going for the jobs so the seats get moved around.

    Ramor are after giving Arva an awful hiding. Six goals. Looks like they got rid of the cobwebs from last week. Unfortunately, there has been a lot of one sided games. Absolutely no atmosphere in Breffni. You could nearly hear people talking in the stand on the stream. Cavstream would be better move away from showing games involving the big three.

    The junior match on before was poor fare. Think it was 15 or 16 minutes before there was even a score. Breffni empty. Last night they stuck Ballyhaise & Kingscourt up in Mullagh and had Drumalee & Drung in Breffni on the stream for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭rrs


    Why have they so many games in breffni? Maybe it suits the streaming but does nothing for an atmosphere. In the Mayo and Monghan Club championship teams get home advantage, home/away in the opening rounds before quarter finals.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Is it that hard to stream from most venues? Clubs are fit to use Veos now no matter where they play.

    I think it’s ridiculous having junior games for lesser populated clubs in the wide open environs of Breffni.

    Interesting to hear Paul Fitz backed the plan I put forward to cut the Senior to 8 clubs and 2 groups of 4. Wouid lead to better games earlier,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭rrs


    I remember watching a game from Crosskeys and it looked poor enough on a stream. A game from Lacken looked better as there is a bank and better for a camera.

    What about a plan for a few amalgamations and play junior earlier? A West Cavan team . A few teams in Senior are not up to it with emigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Arva shockingly poor this evening. Its a madone Ramor were very wasteful but still managed to put 6-11 past them, I'd fear for them against a Crosserlough or Gowna. Ramor did play some free flowing football at at times looked very good.

    I'd be hoping for a Gowna, Crosserlough or Kingscourt next to really see where we are .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭tazman06


    I think 8 is too few. A county of our population should have 10 minimum. Likes of Fermanagh have 8 with very few clubs. How would it work anyway? Top 2 in each to semis? As tough to do quarters or get relegation out of it that way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Custard_Cream


    Ah to be fair Arva at full tilt (management included) would probably rattle Ramor big time.

    That was a weird watch last night. Same point I made during the week ..it will be very hard to get relegated due to the standard of laragh/Castlrahan etc .

    I was part of a team 20 years ago getting relegated from senior and I think we would push the majority of senior teams from watching the streams over the last few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Are Fermanagh really a county we should be using as a comparison?

    Kerry have 9 senior teams and 7 divisional sides with a far larger population. You could go round the country making comparisons but we need to look at ourselves and how it’s running.

    You cut your cloth to suit your means and what is the point of having teams like Laragh getting hammered every year at senior? Will Crosserlough learn anything from handing Ballinagh another drubbing later?

    Look at how Lacken, Shercock & Lavey have performed in recent years after going down to intermediate. The standard between the sides at the bottom of senior and the top of it is only getting greater under the present system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭rrs


    200 euro is very steep for the Cavan club Championship. It doesn't include the finals. LOITV is 99 euro for a 36 league game season and covers more then one game and also first Division, and also the FAI Cup.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭quidel7


    He has LOI TV or Cavstream on it???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭celt262


    Both. It's not on them all I don't have it on mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,491 ✭✭✭tanko


    Was it €80 last year?? They have some neck looking for €200.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    It’s always been €200 or more. I think it was €250 last year (but then you got the finals).

    It’s a fantastic service. LOITV can expect to sell to a lot more people so can have a lower price. Market dictates price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭rrs


    And how does Cavan compare to other Counties. Donegal for example is 159e for their championship and they play the same format . That includes the final.

    https://embed.futureticketing.ie/c/donegal-gaa/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Donegal again is a bigger market. 100k more people than Cavan to sell the service to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭tazman06


    That's my point. Fermanagh have 8, and we shouldn't compare ourselves to them. We should have more. If we go to 10 the likes of a Laragh won't be around. But also can't really help it when a club lose so many players I suppose, a lot would go poor with who they've away. Think 12 too much and 8 too few for us



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭tazman06


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    Draw done for SFC round 3.

    Crosserlough got a facile enough win as expected. Mullahoran came from 9 down to lead by 6 at one stage. Won by 3 by the end after a super 2nd half performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭rrs


    Donegal has a bigger population but the same number of Clubs as Cavan 4 They probaly have more soccer clubs then Gaelic, and then Finn Harps would be their team in Loi..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    You’ve at least 3 struggling to win games at the minute in senior - Castlerahan, Laragh & Ballinagh. That’s the same most years. Before this you’d Lavey, Shercock & Lacken. Hanging on by a thread by winning a game per year.

    The bottom line is we’ve too many clubs for our population. Unfortunately it appears that clubs are going to wait and have their hand forced rather than making a tough decision.

    if nothing else has shown we’ve too many clubs, it has been watching the junior games on Cavstream. Lads forcing themselves to line out to try and keep clubs going when they should have retired years ago.

    I’m waiting now for someone to argue that 40 year old Tom is lining out because of his love for the club!!! Great clubman and the like….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭baconsarnie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    For me, it's not just in senior that there's a gap, it's also the case in intermediate and to a lesser extent, Junior. It sort of was addressed with the introduction of the shield. But there are teams in intermediate that haven't a hope of winning it either for years and their only job is to avoid the trapdoor.

    Why not go for a full shake up. 4 divisions of ten for league and a senior, intermediate, junior and junior B or whatever. 10 teams in each for championship. Top ten from senior last year would have been the 8 quarter finalists and Kingscourt and Killygarry. Would be far more interesting.

    (Not suggesting linking league and championship, but keeping a similar structure)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    I know Holla and Donnelly missing, but jesus Arva were poor. Ramor could have been out of sight in the first fifteen minutes if they took their goal chances. Mc Cabe aside, Arava not at the races.

    Ramor created bucket loads and Arva couldn't get to grips with Cole- although he made some uncharacteristic mistakes early on, he still is a brilliant target inside. McEvoy is a joy to watch at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Gaels, Ramor, Crosserlough, kingsxourt, Gowna all +5 point winners. Arva will sneak past Ballyhaise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭tazman06


    I think it's probably 2 that struggle each year really. Lavey and Laragh last year, and Laragh definitely so far this year. Likes of Ballinagh and Castlerahan are lower end Senior teams, but on their day can probably beat any of the rest except the Top 3. And that's ok. They've both had a tough enough draw so far. Both hockeyed by Crosserlough who can do that to many teams. But overall you'd find both teams have a level and you will get that in any SFC in the country. They both made quarters last year with the same points Gowna had.

    It's leading into as I said above. 12 is too many, but likely 8 is too few for a county of our size. 10 would be ideal. 8 to quarters, and bottom 2 battling the relegation place. The structure is a bit stale too. Clubs know they only do need to squeeze 2 results out of 4. If you draw Crosserlough, mark that down and don't risk players, and aim for the next day. Both have a more achievable game the next day

    I'd agree on that, and seems the Quinn report from way back (which said 35 clubs for our population) is about right. We're at 38 so far with Corlough and Maghera out of Junior. Not sure what else can be done here. All the others field reasonably well (with some exception like you say, with lads into their 40s). It's still the most popular sport here, even if it has dropped from even 20 years ago. But fellas aren't being forced at gunpoint to play either. All over the country we hear stories of lads keeping going because they want to. Jackie Tyrrell down in Kilkenny went back to play Junior this year for example. And isn't that what Junior should be for most? It's not Senior standard and you get a mix of young and old like all over the country and that level. Shield comp shows the level of some at bottom end of Junior



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Have you checked who Ballinagh & Castlerahan beat last year to get their four points?

    Both are aging teams and haven’t the players coming through to replace what has been there. They won’t stay senior too much longer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭tazman06


    Yes, I know. And you'll get that right now. It is what it is and they still had to go and win them. But that's the point I'm making. Going to 10 teams would have these teams on the button and they won't have a Lavey or Laragh to beat. A 10 team Championship means they'll be more likely to be then relegated. As it is, they are better than your Laraghs, and on their day can give the other outside the Top 3 a run for their money like we see. And that's ok. Not ever Senior team can be title contenders

    Likely not alright. Sometimes a team can hold on until calvary arrives, but yeah it'll be tight going



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