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Why does anyone put themselves forward for president apart from pure ego....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭randd1


    Why?

    The money and the fanny.

    Obvious really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭Homelander


    A local authority can't just decide not to fill a statutory function.

    What can happen maybe is the controlling pact on the council can say they will not endorse anyone who presents for nomination other than their own party or parties therefore ensuring they cannot be nominated even if they give the most impressive presentation of all time.

    But I doubt the actual council as an entity said that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    You don't think the rise in SF's vote is a protest vote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    -Good questions - its arguably more a reflection of the harmonisation of FF/ FG in recent years.

    The fact is that SF is in govt in NI, so its fairly establishment.

    Is People before Profit started getting 25% of the vote, that would be protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Really good post and a 'comedy show' is a good analogy for what we were seeing. In fact, it would make a good comedy show, the diverse cast is kind of like the range of people they get together for Dancing with the Stars.

    As regards Merkel - is Germany really in Dire Straits? Lots of things have improved in Germany in the past decade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Ah lads, which is it? a very well informed electorate or the most backward electorate in the developed world? Cant be both 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭thomil


    I'd definitely say so. It was chancellor Merkel who made the decision to decommission Germany's nuclear power plants in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima incident, purely as a political manoeuvre to take the political wind out of the sails of the Green party, whilst also forging ahead with projects like Nordstream 2, which firmly tied Germany to Russia as far as energy supply was concerned, and we all know how well that worked out. It was her government that cemented a two-level health insurance system and shifted the burden of public health insurance costs onto employees, prior to her tenure, employers and employees had split the cost 50-50. It was under her tenure that the Bundeswehr, Germany's armed forces, reached the low point that they were at when the war in Ukraine kicked off in 2022, with warships that gassed their own crews, helicopters whose cabin bottoms could be caved in and pierced by soldiers' boots, government aircraft that broke down more than they flew, and so on.

    As much as I despise her predecessor Gerhard Schröder for his "Hartz IV" unemployment reforms, whose effects I would feel myself a few years later, he had started a much-needed set of reforms and modernisation in Germany following the 16 leaden years of conservative chancellor Helmut Kohl. Almost all of that stopped when Angela Merkel took office in 2005. She basically went back to Helmut Kohl's policies of "don't change a thing", unless it was to benefit the traditional benefactors of her party, the CDU. Any projects that were started, secure email communication between courts and litigants, an electronic health insurance card, electronic patient files, replacement of paper doctors' certificates with electronic ones in case of illness-related absence from work, all of these and more were massively over budget, a complete and utter legal cluster*ck, and so far behind schedule that they'd make both the Cork Events Centre and the New Children's Hospital seem like masterclasses in project planning by comparison. All of the examples I mentioned were started between 2006 and 2009, but none of them became operational until 2019 or 2020!

    It would be unfair to paint her tenure as a complete disaster for Germany. She got Germany through the 2008 crash and recession in a pretty good state, was surprisingly modern and liberal in some respects, for example when it comes to environmental protection, especially for a supposedly conservative politician, and I also believe she handled the 2015 refugee crisis about as well as anyone could have. But mostly, she just made sure for Germany to appear modern and cosmopolitan to the world, whilst doing as little as possible politically.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Just take an honest view of what you see every day, sh*t public services, sh*t infrastructure, health system crisis, housing crisis that will last at least another decade, massive cost of living crisis, huge damage done to our farming sector, our tourism industry, our social scene, increasingly dangerous city and town centres, joke of a judicial system, lack of prison spaces, a Government dependent media industry, reckless "Green Energy" policies that will increase already expensive energy prices, and the ruin DEI policies have on entities to come yet….we are pushing policies across our society that have been a disaster anywhere else they were tried and we are too thick skulled /sanctimonious to admit we have gone wrong!!

    Just look at the state of our leaders, a school teacher and a college drop out!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,239 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The Flatley lad is D dictionary definition of ego. Very strange man. Heard couple interviews from him. Talk about a fooking bragger..his wanting this role is 110 percent ego and bragging rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Having grown up in the 1980s with 25% unemployment, flagrantly corrupt politicians, mass emigration, all powerful church, black flags on every lampost during the hunger strikes - nobody will ever convince me that the country is badly run compared to how it was back then.

    Its a hundred times better than it was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    This is great stuff Thomil.

    Funny enough, when I saw your initial post - I just assumed you were referring to immigration as the reason you didnt like her. I thought she had done well on nuclear, particularly given the rise in renewables as % of total energy supply - but points well made.

    One of the things thats interesting about Merkel, you didnt really refer to it in your original post - was that she was completely anonymous in the GDR system. She wasnt from the right family, and so - while very talented, she had no outlet for her talents except to throw herself into academia.

    I think she was late 30s when the wall came down. (Still the most seminal historical moment in my lifetime, in my opinion - just an incredible event).

    Anyway - we are digressing way too far from the original post 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,463 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Sure he made his own god awful film where he was basically supposed to be James Bond.

    The man is out of his mind.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I remember it well.

    Today we have corrupt politicians.

    Emigration which will significantly increase as the housing crisis deepens.

    We have an all powerful ideological authority who are far more intolerant than the Clergy ever were.

    We have Palestianian flags flying of those same lampposts.

    We have an army of full time radicals working in the NGO class.

    If it is 100 times better then why do our Government believe the following

    There is an epidemic of racism

    The Far Right are a threat to democracy

    The Climate emergency will diminish living standards for all of us because our carbon footprint is too big.

    There is an epidemic of domestic violence.

    There is an epidemic of hate speech so much so they wish to pass the most draconian hate speech laws

    They had to lock us in our homes for two years, cancelling sport, social events for fear we'd kill our grannies….luckily a pharma company came up with a new vaccine or we'd still be locked up.

    If our politicians and media class are to be believe we are in several extremely bad crisis…and you say everything is hunky dory…we've swapped The Vatican for the UN/EU that is all that has happened.

    I remember people like you from the 1980s too…head in the sand types, didn't want to believe the abuse the church were inflicting. You'd have been one of those lads perched in front of a holy statue waiting for it to move in the summer of 1985.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Well I didn't think I'd be vindicated this quickly.

    Robinson, nearly 30 years out of office, is out lecturing the new Pope about how he is disappointing her….now that is an out of control ego, and you'd wonder why this role attracts the like of McGregor, mind you, it'd be interesting to see which one of them would complete an actual term in office. In a race that includes Tony Houlihan, a man who's ego was clearly an issue during the 2020-2022 period.

    This race is already shambolic and we are still in the summer.

    The three major political parties don't have a candidate (mind you, they have to beg D list celebrities to run for them in other elections so that is no great surprise). The county councils won't entertain independent candidates for fear we'd get McGregor or some other non party politician with popular opinions or policies.

    Another candidate that dropped out of no where last week is out this week bitching about how he's been done over by Sean Gallagher, another ego maniac.

    This is supposed to be the highest office in the land.

    We are a joke.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    I think you are mixing up your Marys there ^^

    Mary McAleese is the one 'lecturing the new pope'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I do beg your pardon, you are correct.

    That makes the last three of them lecturing the either Pope or Israel, I just hope some washed up President of another country starts lecturing us about how our tax haven robs money from other Governments, we wouldn't have an answer for them!!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,842 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I think you might have fallen behind on what McAleese has been up to since the presidency.

    "McAleese is an alumna of the Pontifical Gregorian University where she obtained her licentiate of canon law in 2014 and a doctorate of canon law in 2018. On 22 September 2018, McAleese publicly defended her thesis on "Children's Rights and Obligations in Canon Law" at the Pontifical Gregorian University. The defence was conducted in Italian. McAleese was questioned by Professor Robert J Geisinger S.J. and Professor Ulrich Rhode S.J. The Archbishop of DublinDiarmuid Martin, the Rector of the Pontifical Irish College in Rome and the Irish Ambassadors to Italy and the Holy See attended the defence.

     McAleese also holds a Masters in Canon Law (2010) from the Milltown Institute of Theology and Philosophy. McAleese delivered the Valedictorian Address at her graduation"

    That's just a couple of paragraphs from her Wikipedia entry. She probably knows more about the Catholic church than 90% of priests here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I actually liked McAleese, my only criticism of her is that her husband had way too high a public profile in my view.

    And none of them (as in Robinson, McAleese, Higgins) are poorly educated, quiet the opposite. But an education does not grant a person the belief they are in a position to lecture Ancient Institutions or other Nation states, in fact, as mentioned, the public profile these people obtain often get the better of their ego's. We seem to be obsessed with our belief that we are somehow some moral people who must be listened to…it's f''ken weird to be honest, especially given we (effectively) rob money from other governments. We love moral grandstanding and we wonder why we elect spoofers and ego maniacs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,842 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    But an education does not grant a person the belief they are in a position to lecture Ancient Institutions or other Nation states

    I would heartily disagree here. What do you think is a necessary qualification to criticise an 'Ancient Institution'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Ah come off it - today's politicians are not in any way corrupt compared to the lads in the 80s - you presumably mean 'morally corrupt' which is of course open to interpretation. You cant seriously think that Michaeil Martin or Simon Harris as taking brown envelopes?

    Palestinian flags does not refer to a conflict on this island.

    As for things that 'will happen' like emigration 'will happen' or whatever….ah thats not an argument at all.

    What there has been - compared to the 80s - is an explosion of whingeing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    One thing people in this country (or particularly the naysayers) dont seem to get is

    the link between relentless whingeing about politicians on the one hand, and the declining calibre of politicians on the other…

    It will become an occupation that will be totally unpalatable for any normal person.

    Potentially hence our presidential race at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    That is a very good question. I'd have to give that some thought. For the record, I absolutely believe all Institutions should be held to account, we don't hold them to account enough, that was what our media were/are supposed to do. But McAleese called the new Pope "bog standard Patriarchial". This is not the same as holding an Institute to account, she might as well have called him "Pale, Male and Stale" or accused "Toxic Masculinity", that is not the same as questioning the ideology, that is the facile language of the depressed feminist. The Catholic Church is a conservative body, I don't see the issue with the Church remaining a Conservative body.

    But to be fair, I'll have to give that question thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I don't think they are corrupt in the same manner as what was happening, which was blatant and destructive, but you are kidding yourself if you think we have rid ourselves of our corrupt culture, it is arguably even more destructive, we are being led by a political class who treat it's own citizens like dirt…remember when every white Irish man was held responsible for the daylight murder of an Irish woman, which it turned out was committed by a non Irish man who was here on state benefits. Or when they locked us in our homes for two years. Or have seriously degraded the quality of life in our cities and towns.

    If our youth don't emigrate the best they can hope for is a converted shed at the bottom of their parents garden, anyone with ambition beyond that will emigrate. This housing crisis has at least a decade to go. We have the worst housing crisis in the EU, To scoff of that argument is not an argument in good faith.

    Compare the 10 years of the Jack Charlton years for instance, and not just through the prism of Irish football, but across our culture, the vibrancy of the whole nation was palpable to anyone who lived through it…compare those ten years to the last 10 years, it is night and day. I'd hate to be young in this country, the place is miserable, riddled with mental health issues and a coke epidemic, s##t music, s##t culture. It's not too different to other developed countries to be fair, but we are a notch or two more radicalised than most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I'd imagine the 2m or so quid you could earn over the seven years is a big part of wanting to be President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    tbf, they do have some good points, our whole approach to housing has actually collapsed, but our policy makers are never going to realise and accept this, and it will follow into the 30's, possible even the 40's, and we do have an out of control drug epidemic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Everlong1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Deleted - tried to post a humourous link to Youtube but site doesn't allow it apparently.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,842 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Should be no issue posting YouTube links.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭notAMember


    I'm not seeing that the same way on populism, as in my mind the current president is a populism vote. Guess that depends on your politics though. :)

    On the democracy being the same as switzerland, that's just not accurate. Ireland has representative democracy, closer to USA or UK. That means we have a house of representatives, (The Dail), senate and a president. A tiered system with a figurehead on top. That's not direct, it's representative. We elect people to represent us and make decisions on our behalf.

    Yes, Switzerland does have a direct democracy. But that means no Dail, no senate, no president. They have cantonal leadership (they have 26 cantons, like we have 26 counties). They don't have the concept of a capital city. They have cities that take up various roles but no actual Capital. (Industrial - Zurich, , Ambassadorial - Geneva, Financial - Zug, Federal seat - Bern) There is a federal govt, but its powers are very limited.

    With direct democracy, at a canton/county level, everything is direct, meaning localised. The elected people are local and they decide how to spend the local tax and propose changes to local laws, that the people themselves directly vote on. I'm irish, living in switzerland. As an example, each year the people in my canton vote on the budget, where the people directly vote to choose between something like a new swimming pool or a refurbishment of the train station for the next major investment.

    Canton taxes, including personal taxation, corporate and wealth tax are all local. Local taxes spent locally. That would be like Cork having Apple's corporate tax to spend on programs in Cork, rather than it going into the country coffers and getting spent in Dublin. The federal govt do take a small proportion of federal tax, to manage military etc.

    On the shades of grey in democracy, Ireland is black and Switzerland is white.

    David McWilliams has a podcast on it too.

    https://shows.acast.com/the-david-mcwilliams-podcast/episodes/202425-should-we-copy-the-swiss-or-is-that-too-cheesy



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