Northern Ireland 2125?

Same answer - it would not have mattered whether I accepted it or not.

The 'BRITISH' set the place up to have an artificial majority in the first place FFS.

I asked you to review what happened after the Border Poll. The British introduced a White Paper on devolved government, the Unionist party split because some WOULD NOT share power with the SDLP and when the British tried to establish the Council Of Ireland (take note of the name they gave it blanch and downcow) that was resisted and had to be the subject of talks at 'Sunningdale' to try and resolve the issues.

This is what happened after that and we all know that Sunningdale was destroyed by Unionists and Loyalists.

The Civil Service Staff College at Sunningdale in England played host to a conference to try to resolve the remaining difficulties surrounding the setting up of the power-sharing Executive for Northern Ireland.

Sunningdale was the first occasion since 1925 that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (UK), the Taoiseach (Irish Prime Minister), and the Northern Ireland government - in the form of the Northern Ireland Executive (designate) - had attended the same talks on the future of Northern Ireland.

Edward Heath, then British Prime Minister, and Liam Cosgrave, then Taoiseach, and senior ministers attended in addition to representatives of the Ulster Unionist Party (UUP), the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), and the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland (APNI).

The participants discussed a number of matters but the main item of concern centred on the unresolved issue of the 'Irish Dimension' of any future government of Northern Ireland.

Proposals surrounding this 'Irish Dimension' were finally to be agreed in the form of a proposed Council of Ireland. The elements of the proposed Council were that it would consist of a Council of Ministers and a Consultative Assembly.

The Council of Ministers was to be comprised of seven members from the Northern Ireland Executive and seven members of the Irish government. This Council would have executive and harmonising functions and a consultative role.

The Consultative Assembly was to be made up of 30 members from the Northern Ireland Assembly and the same number from the Dáil. This Assembly was to have advisory and review functions. 

Sunday 9 December 1973 A communiqué was issued which announced that agreement had been reached at the talks at Sunningdale; this communiqué was to become known as the Sunningdale Agreement.

Monday 10 December 1973 Loyalists announced the establishment of the Ulster Army Council (UAC) to resist the proposed Council of Ireland. The UAC was an umbrella group for the main Loyalist paramilitary groups and included the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF).

To cut a long story, that most other people know, short, the Unionist/Loyalists VETOED any progress in NI. SF had no hand act or part in the above.

John Hume wrote this about the Anglo Irish Agreement (that took another 10 years to achieve)

The fundamental change that has taken place as a result of the Anglo-Irish Agreement is a change that is deeply and fully understood by every Unionist.

What it means is that their exclusive hold on power has gone and is not coming back. The power of veto on British policy which they have always had, and which goes to the heart of our problem here, has gone and is not coming back. The loss is uncomfortable for their leaders, for while they held that privileged position they never had to be politicians or exercise the art of politics, which is the art of representing one’s own view while treating others with fairness.

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However painful and difficult for them, their loss is in fact very healthy – not only for them but for the whole community. Mrs Thatcher has done for Unionists what John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson did for the whites of Alabama in the Sixties. She has stripped them of ascendancy and privilege, and in so doing has done a service to us all – by placing us on a politically equal footing.

*Bolding mine

John Hume · John Hume on the end of the Unionist veto in Ulster

The AIA paved the way for the GFA, which Unionists, try as they might and are still trying, could not bring down.

There is NOTHING in the GFA that could not have been delivered in 1949/59/69/79 or '89 had the British been prepared to face down that Unionist/Loyalist veto.

Unionism/Loyalism has had a siege mentality since and has yet, among it's belligerent fringes, to cope with that reality.

Ireland is one of the oldest countries in the world. At the Council of Constance (ecumenical council) in1416, it was stated that Ireland ranked as one of the four original constituent States of Europe, taking its place after Rome and Byzantium, and before Spain.

Ireland existed as a Nation/State/Kingdom, and was recognised as such throughout the western world - with its own High King, language, writing (both Ogham and 18 letter alphabet) - Brehon laws, the very essence of a unitary political State, long before the 10th century upstart England even existed.

Irish law is the oldest, most original, and most extensive of the European legal systems. It is a unique legal inheritance, an independent indigenous system of advanced jurisprudence for the Nation/Kingdom/State of Ireland that was fully evolved by the 8th century.

When England illegally invaded, Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair was the High King of Ireland (without opposition) - therefore Ireland was a sovereign state in which Irish people were united by known and accepted factors which define a nation - such as language, law, and common descent.

We Irish are Gaels, and our country is named in our stead. We native Irish are a distinct people. Our Gaelic political and social order, and associated culture, originated/evolved in Ireland during prehistoric times - and still dominates to this day, despite all the foreign interference.

When the Roman Empire fell, Ireland saved the western world by opening centres of learning throughout Europe - meanwhile in what was to become England, people were figuratively walking around on their knuckles.

See my post above and the following.

Native Gael is us native Irish - as in Goidelic as originated exclusively here in Ireland from insular Celtic in the late first millennium BC and early first millennium AD and later spread to what is now called Scotland (named after us Irish people) and the Isle of Mann and some parts of the west coast of Britain.

Irish and Scottish and Manx are not three different languages that evolved simultaneously or independently. They are all Gaelic as in Irish. Ireland is the Motherland, the petri-dish landmass of Goidelic - the Gaelic language and the Gael.

Faced with the intransigence of Unionism/Loyalism some people felt there was no alternative to violence. That is how conflict/war starts. Never denied that even if I didn't support any of the violence from the get go.

Read the history Francis, it will show you there were just as many who felt there was no alternative but to be violent on the other side.

The salient point about that shambles of a Border Poll was that even though they won it, Unionism still would not share power and wrecked with strike and violence any chance at progress. The Dublin, Monaghan and Belturbet bombings were a part of that campaign to bring down Sunningdale.

Sammy Smyth, then press officer of both the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and the Ulster Workers' Council (UWC) Strike Committee, said, "I am very happy about the bombings in Dublin. There is a war with the Free State and now we are laughing at them."

Merlyn Rees the British Secretary of State at the time was negotiating with these guys ^^^

Did somebody say 'We never negotiate with terrorists'.

The Ulster Defence Association(UDA) is an Ulster loyalist paramilitary group in Northern Ireland. It was formed in September 1971 as an umbrella group for various loyalist groups and undertook an armed campaign of almost 24 years as one of the participants of the Troubles.

There is no nationality such as so-called "northern" Irish.

One is either Irish or one isn't.

Just stating the historical facts.

Why do you foreign ethnic British Unionists (census) insist on denigrating us native Irish and our native country, the Nation of Ireland.

If you don't like things Irish and Ireland - feel free to return to your homeland Britain.

We Irish are going nowhere - we Irish are already at home.

Downcow is likely pushing the outdated notion that the first settlement of Ireland was in Derry, but he hasn't kept his knowledge up to date. About ten years ago, evidence was dated from over 2000 years earlier than Mount Sandel in Co. Clare.

Even if it hadn't been, I'd be surprised if those who lived in Mount Sandel were good, Protestant Ulster Scots given that it was about 7000 years before Christianity.

The so-called UK is merely a political entity - Ireland is the ground under your feet, therefore in actual fact and in reality, he was born in Ireland.

As for the UK; England/Britain has no mandate in Ireland - it never did. England illegally invaded and fraudulently occupied Ireland. And we native Irish people never voted to join the foreign UK in the very first instance.

Ireland was shanghaied into it by a foreign British Parliament in Ireland full of foreign ethnic British Unionists, under the control of Dublin Castle, England's real power in Ireland - and we native Irish people have been trying to get our country Ireland out of it ever since.

Even the foreign British PM Gladstone said on 28th of June 1886 :-

"There is no blacker or fouler transaction in the history of man than the making of the union between Great Britain and Ireland. The carrying of it was nothing in the world but an artful combination of fraud and force, applied in the basest manner to the attainment of an end which all Ireland detested. A more base proceeding, a more vile proceeding, is not recorded, in my judgment, in any page of history."