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Why does anyone put themselves forward for president apart from pure ego....

  • 13-08-2025 10:34AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭


    @Mods - I think this is worth a separate debate in its own right.

    I see all these punters putting their names forward - Holohan, this pharma entrepeneur dude, the national disgrace fighter dude who I wont dignify with his name…previously we had people like the Dragons Den guy.

    And I'm wondering why do any of these people want to be president apart from "Look at me, I'm the President, wow me".

    If they really want to influence the country, do it the proper way - go into politics. Do the hard yards, and dont be asking people to put them in a cushy number in the Aras where they will do f-all except welcome people on red carpets, do lots of fancy foreign trips and occasionally mouth off on topics of their choice. Wouldnt it be lovely to have all those servants.

    Do we really need narcississts in the role?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    It doesn't matter the normal person on the street will see straight through it, though.


    It's why Michael D got in.

    Just like the Monk, Let them stand there at the end to see their face when they lose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Yeah - all going well you are right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Though thats what they said about Trump !!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,035 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Ireland has direct democracy just like Switzerland and the means you are talking about two very well informed electorates where the majority have never took up the popularism movement and they are not going to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Yes, that is absolutely correct - reassuring conversation; it will most likely go no further than media exposure for these guys.

    Its a long long time since we had a significant protest vote in Ireland - last one I can remember was the EU referendum that was rejected. That was close to 30 years ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭scottser


    I look at candidates like MG and that young CEO guy and they don't actually understand what is required of the role. 'I'll be a voice for the youth of Ireland', 'I'll end immigration' etc. No gobshite, no you won't. That's not what the President does. It's a largely ceremonial role whose major function is to ensure legislation is constitutional and to dissolve the Oireachtas when required. Michael Flatley? Get to ****.

    I'm actually thankful that the nomination process is robust enough to weed out these tossers. I absolutely do not want the Presidency to be open to just anyone. To be the President you must have served the State in an another capacity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Well thats the thing - its an ego trip for these guys. Jesus complex, I am the one who can save you. And if they ever did get in, they'd just be whingeing about why the government is making a balls of it. Which is a gazillion times easier than actually trying do something about it.

    On your other point - yes thats fair, but it shouldnt be a thank you for your service. TBH, in my lifetime I dont recall any president really influencing society apart maybe from Mary Rob. For the cost of it…. I did hear one story about a 'list of demands' that one president had on a foreign trip, and wasnt too impressed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭scottser


    It's more than ego, it's them saying ' I know what's best for all of you' when they haven't got the faintest notion of what's required of them in the role. It's a staggering mix of hubris and stupidity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Yeah point taken - but ego is still the underpin.

    One of my favourite politicians of all time probably is Angela Merkel, and one of the things I liked most her is that she did her best to have absolutely no public profile outside of the job. She just really enjoyed politics, and the machinations of politics.

    Compared to any other state leader of her stature e.g. Obama or Tony Blair, its remarkable that most people would not know if she was married or not.

    BTW - MG do you mean MF?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭scottser




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we re firmly in the age of the narcissist, they 'sell' a convincing story, a magnet for desperate people, be very aware folks, be very aware of the narcissist, theyre bullsh1tters underneath it all!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,327 ✭✭✭amacca


    Whether she liked politics or not Merkel was a disaster for Germany and Europe imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,115 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    If they really want to influence the country, do it the proper way - go into politics. Do the hard yards, and dont be asking people to put them in a cushy number in the Aras where they will do f-all except welcome people on red carpets, do lots of fancy foreign trips and occasionally mouth off on topics of their choice. Wouldnt it be lovely to have all those servants.


    The office of the President is politics. But saying that, I do see where you’re coming from - I used to think too the Áras wasn’t much more than a retirement home for politicians who had done nothing to piss off anyone else in politics. Then Mary Robinson was elected to the role and Jesus did the ceremonial robes come off! She transformed the role of the President of Ireland into one which it should always have been and represented Ireland with dignity and respect on the political world stage, many times upsetting the Government of Ireland because she wasn’t going to be reined in -

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/state-papers-mary-robinsons-take-on-presidency-put-politicians-and-government-officials-in-a-spin/42247704.html


    Michael D has basically neutered the role of the President again, and now there are nothing but a rogues gallery of idiots hoping to be nominated, who appear to be more interested in turning the Áras into a frat house, much like the orangutan on the far side of the Atlantic 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Greed has something to do with it for some aspirants at least.

    The President earns an annual salary of €330,000, or around seven times average worker pay.  Plus he has had many perks, fine food, travel and accommodation, and can look forward to a very large pension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭plodder


    The salary is obscene, and the pension for life could amount to an enormous sum for someone in their 30's or 40's. Not saying that all candidates are motivated by it, but it's surely a factor for some.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I have heard no one mentioned ao far worthy of my vote.

    I'm definitely not giving it to aome 'tech entrepreneur ' I've never heard of. Being bandied about so far could do. others seem to be only interested in getting settled into the Aras on a good salary while making themselves seem of vital importance.

    Say what you like.about president Higgins, who i voted for BTW, but he and his wife have represented this country.in a.professional upstanding and intelligent way. Something I don't think any of the names being bandied about so far could do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    That's the problem with this office, is the President is supposed to be a low key politically neutral position, you are supposed to take the highest office in the country and then fade into the backround for most of your term. That is the conundrum, how do you get a politician to keep their ego in check…all went well until we elected that disgrace of a woman Mary Robinson, she couldn't keep her ego in check, couldn't keep her mouth shut. She took the office and made it much more public, then she left the job early to take up a job at the UN, which was effectively like giving two fingers to the office and the Irish people she was supposed to represent…last I heard from this woman was she got a museum built in her own honour in her home town.

    She set the standard, or lowered the standard of the office more like, which has left us with the most narcissist embarrassing morally corrupt President yet, these two, the darlings of Irish media of course, are the reason the elections attract the type we are seeing today…ego maniacs…if Robinson had managed to keep her ego in check, we wouldn't be seeing the likes of Tony Houlihan, McGregor, Flatley etc…place the blame when the blame should be placed.

    We are probably the most backward electorate in the developed world…utterly clueless, we vote on personality more than any other nation, there isn't an ideological slither of paper between our political parties, we've elected out and out spoofers in the past so it shouldn't surprise anyone utter spoofers would run for office.

    We are a joke of a nation, our Prime Minister doesn't even believe that the nation state should exist….and we elected him!! The most powerful person in this state is Von Der Leyden and not one of us voted for her, none of know what policies she last ran on, most of us have never seen her interviewed, and that's the way Paddy like's it…we haven't elected a single Anti EU politician to our parliament, probably the only country in the EU who hasn't. That is why populism hasn't taken hold here, one of the only countries in the developed world where we haven't seen it…we love ourselves too much! We have convinced ourselves we are better than everywhere else, despite the complete lack of evidence. Paddy is always at least a decade behind everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭deandean


    Dun Laoghaire Rathdown CoCo has stated that it will not entertain approaches from ANYONE seeking a nomination for President.

    Good move! County Councils shouldn't have this role, anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Salary and pension.

    Any candidate that says otherwise is lying, IMO.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭50HX


    @Silentcorner

    Time to book that airline ticket if we are such a joke of a nation.

    Thats a fair leap from Mary R to CM TH & Flatley. none of which are confirmed & i suspect none will be, its media silly season pre candidate closing date

    Considering the state of the US & closer to home the UK i would wager a lot of their citizens would crave for the stability we currently have...it ain't perfect but its a far cry from the sh1tshow in other countries



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭thomil


    Let me just say that I'm not a fan of Angela Merkel by any stretch of the imagination. I'm German, I lived in Germany for the first half of her reign, before moving to Ireland in 2012, and she is one of the primary reasons why Germany is in such dire straits in many regards.

    But here's the thing: Angela Merkel didn't enjoy politics for the sake of politics. She was, famously, a child of the GDR. Grew up in East Germany, went to school and university there, the whole hog! She knew what it was like to live in a system of total surveillance, especially since she was the daughter of a Lutheran pastor, so when the wall came down, she grabbed the chance to "make a difference" and shape the country going forward, to build something new. As much as I disagree with many of her political choices, I've never had any reason to doubt her sincerity about her motivation!

    And I think that's just something that's missing across the political spectrum and most countries here in Europe these days. The age where politicians were motivated by the desire to build something new, whether it's a new country or society, is over. For most of Europe, this ended in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when the last politicians of the immediate post-WW2 generation retired. The generation that followed simply lacked that drive and motivation. Oh sure, they talked about "building a better future", but in reality, there was no real drive behind that. There have simply not been any crises on the scale of WW2, which I'm honestly massively grateful for!

    Unfortunately, that leads to the situation that we have here in Ireland right now. Where the race for the highest office in the land looks like the setup for a horribly cringeworthy comedy. Makes me honestly glad I'm not eligible to vote in presidential elections!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    All politicians have a degree of ego. But the same can be said for a great number of jobs - why be a trader or salesperson or entrepreneur if you don't have an ego?

    People think they can do the job well and the job is worth doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    My advise to any young person is to get out of here especially young white irish men.

    The best a young person can hope for is a life in a shed at the bottom of their parents garden. We have the worst housing crisis in the EU. We have an increasingly dangerous country with vicious criminal acts, that this country wouldn't normally see, occurring on a weekly basis…which IS going to get worse. That's before we get into the nuttery of Net Zero and other ridiculous social policies.

    It's not a fair leap, it's what happens when you dull standards, you attract dullards.

    We are in a mess. Our "stability" is an illusion, we are in the throws of the most damaging herd mentality we have ever engaged in, this is going to get a lot worse. Our smug/sancitimoneous/progressive class in our policitical/media/ngo class have done some damage this time.

    The US/UK are ten years ahead of us…I'm willing to bet, our youth will be emigrating there again soon, they won't be coming here to this backward, radicalised s***hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭50HX


    No doubt there are issues facing us.

    On a more positive note though I think the new Garda commissioner should be given an opportunity.

    The housing crisis is the biggest one & a v tricky one to solve.

    In one way we are a victim of our own education success, we have a gen now that will not entertain a trade job or any manual labour role. That wasn't an issue 20 years ago as eastern Europeans were happy to fill the void.

    It may take a downturn to get the trades back in vouge again. Our youth emigration has always been cyclical though & that will continue regardless of challenges at home.

    Running because we have issues doesn't solve anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭eastie17


    sorry no, that absolute spoofer Sean Gallagher was inches away from getting elected until the brown envelope moment live on TV during the debate.

    The Irish electorate are totally capable of electing a celebrity candidate only in it for themselves, we almost did it 14 years ago, and that was before people developed attention spans of 2.4 seconds thanks to social media.

    The only thing that’s stopping in it is that most of the ego maniacs are being stopped by the nomination process, I read in the paper at the weekend that mvgtegor (purposefully misspelled) wants to challenge the nomination process in the courts. Unlikely to succeed but a lot would agree with him that any joker should be allowed to self nominate due to “democracy”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,145 ✭✭✭threeball


    Very unfair on Orangutangs, some of the smartest and gentlest creatures on the planet, to be compared to that steaming pile of shít.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    We are a joke of a nation, our Prime Minister

    Prime Minister? Don't know many Irish people that call the Taoiseach that.

    My advise to any young person is to get out of here especially young white irish men.

    Oh ye, the poor young white Irish men, they're the ones suffering hardship in the world. Plenty of other threads for your xenophobic nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,748 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Anything she said was very mild and considered, but the OP is asking why she ran not how she carried out the role.

    Post edited by expectationlost on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,748 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    I think this is why political party involvement is needed they seek out someone and ask them rather then them coming up with the notion themselves…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    But the other thing with Mary Rob was that she was an expert in constitutional law, had been a member of Seanad Eireann and had a long assocation with the labour party.

    So she had served the state and had a lot of relevant expertise.

    Unlike for example Michael Flatley.



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