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Bad Experience being Pulled Over

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 125 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Wow! I offered my experience and asked a couple of questions. Your reaction is weird, maybe if you had nothing to contribute………………………..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    There are too many in the force that shouldn't be given a 12V battery, because all that power goes to their heads and I am astonished as to how some of them were given a badge when they ought to have been sent home with a packet of crayons.

    They (most, not all in my experience) get proper thick with you when they are shown up to be wrong, no matter how courteous you are. I've a few examples after a couple of decades driving, but 2 always come to mind. I'll share the shorter, tame one.

    In 2023 I was on the M50 North bound in my 1yro car, heading to Malahide. Traffic was moving smoothly and slowed after the Ballymun exit with motorists heading to the M1. As cars merged from the on ramp, I moved from the left to middle lane and then to the right lane so I could take my exit and not get blocked by right lane hoggers. I was cautious, as cars were switching lanes in both directions. Not 10 seconds later, a Garda car behind me turned on the blues. I thought he wanted to overtake, so I moved back to the middle lane which was movingat about 40km/h. It followed me and on went the blues again. Was clear he wanted me to pull over, so I did, having to get into the left lane for the city/port tunnel and then into the congested M1/Airport lane and into the hard shoulder.

    I put on the hazards and I roll down the passenger window waiting for the Gard. The blues were off and he didn't put on his hazards. The idiot walks up to the driver window, putting his life at risk with traffic nearly wiping his arse as it went by. I didn't see him there til be banged on the glass, as I was expecting him to put his hazards on and approach the passenger side for his own safety. I rolled down the window. The usual "do you kno why I've pulled you over" question. I replied with a polite, "no idea". He got thick with me and claimed he had followed me from the red cow in the fast lane and I failed to give way to overtaking vehicles that had to undertake me 🤔.

    Not wanting to directly contradict him, I said (paraphraing) "I think you pulled over the wrong car. I joined at Blanch and was in the left lane the whole time until I passed the Ballymun exit."

    He doubled down, and said he saw me the whole time and other vehicles has to undertake me. He checked my windscreen an asked if the car was mine. I said it is. He asked why I had no NCT disc displayed. I told him the car isn't due its first NCT for another 3 years. He asked for my license. I showed it to him. He asked my insurance cert. At this point I was getting annoyed, because he was just being a dìckhead. I told him I don't carry the cert in the car. He was about to start yacking again when I unintentionally interrupted him to repeat that (paraphrasing) "I wasn't on the M50 at the redcow and had joined at Blanchardstown. I stayed in the left lane using ACC the whole time and that anyone undertaking me would have had to be doing it in the hard shoulder, breaking the law. I told him I could bring up the dashcam footage of my entire journey if he didn't believe me". I was about to pull up the footage and asked if he wanted to see it.

    Did he want to see the footage? Of course not. Did he admit he might be mistaken? Hell no! Instead, he ever so kindly let me off with a warning. I also saw the prìck had only entered the M50 at Ballymun and probably only pulled me over because I had indicated to get into the right lane before he could. It probably annoyed him somehow. That's the calibre of too many of our Gardaí. They are a stain on the decent ones who do a tough job with integrity. It's no wonder the policing authority of Ireland recommended that An Garda Siochana b disbanded due to the ingrained toxic culture in the organisation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Stripeyman


    I don't know about your main story but you definitely made the last bit up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Stripeyman


    The bit where you said the Policing Authority recommended that An Garda Síochána be disbanded. I don't believe that happened but if you can substantiate your claim then I'd be interested to see it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,133 ✭✭✭✭con747


    A quick google search if true?

    AI Overview The Policing Authority did not recommend that An Garda Síochána be disbanded. Instead, the Policing Authority and the Garda Síochána Inspectorate were dissolved and their functions were incorporated into a new entity called the Policing and Community Safety Authority (PCSA). This new authority is focused on oversight of policing and community safety. Here's a more detailed explanation:

    • Dissolution and Formation of PCSA:The Policing Authority and the Garda Síochána Inspectorate were dissolved on March 2, 2025, and the PCSA was established. 
    • PCSA's Role:The PCSA combines the oversight functions of the former Policing Authority and the inspection functions of the Garda Síochána Inspectorate, adding a new focus on community safety. 
    • No Recommendation to Disband:There is no evidence to suggest that the Policing Authority recommended the disbanding of An Garda Síochána. The change was about restructuring oversight bodies, not dismantling the police force itself. 
    • Focus on Oversight and Community Safety:The PCSA's role is to provide independent oversight of An Garda Síochána's performance and to promote community safety. 
    • Historical Context:The Policing Authority had been providing oversight of An Garda Síochána for several years, and its work was often highlighted in reports and assessments. 

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    That is correct. I was going off an old Irish Independent article from around 2016/17 where the author had drawn from a policing authority report that An Garda Siochana be disbanded. The reports mention a need for major reforms, citing corruption within the force. They did not actually recommend disbanding the force.

    My own M50 experience would have been uploaded to YouTube if my dashcam footage had audio. I have had only one positive, well, more of a neutral experience of being stopped by Gardaí and that was nearly 20 years ago at a random breathalyser stop in Bray. The Gard was courteous, almost robotic and I couldn’t say a bad word, as he was doing his job and without the attitude normally experienced if stopped. Fortunately it’s only been a handful of times, but most were negative experiences.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    Just to clarify . . . .you say "Cops turn a blind eye" to scrotes on stolen bikes. The fact is that they do not turn a blind eye to it. They have been instructed "not to engage" with them by senior management. Roads Policing members feel completely let down. It's like having a dog and doing the barking yourself at the moment not permitting them to go after stolen motorcycles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭9935452


    Same as yourself ' only ever stopped a handful of times in 20 years but the majority negative.

    I nctd my car 4 months early before it was 10 years old and got a 2 year test . Cert wasn't perforated so couldn't or didn't tear disc off cert that day but there was still 4 months valid nct on the windscreen. New cert got put into glovebox and forgotten about.

    Was stopped at a checkpoint and discs were checked. Hang on a minute says I as I got the cert and explained what happened.

    He remarked that I was lucky as I could have gotten 5 penalty points for not displaying nct disc. I quered it and asked was that not 5 penalty points for not having an nct.

    He rose his voice and repeated ' it's 5 penalty points for non display.

    I said fair enough thanks guard. Checked it when I got home. Up to 5 penalty points for no nct. Nothing for non display.

    Just can't be wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I have been pulled over twice, and twice for good reason.

    Next time pay attention when you are driving.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Coincide


    I was paying perfect attention, I noticed the wide load coming, it was the garda who didn't or chose to ignore that fact when proven wrong.

    Anyway I'm past it now. He was in the wrong and that was very clear. First bad experience I've had with a garda all others have been fine and perfectly nice people.

    Was clear he was just a **** person because even if I was doing something wrong which I wasn't that still can never justify the approach of intimidation he used.

    For example when you where pulled over for good reason that's fine doesn't justify them to do anything more than question you and give you whatever ticket/points is appropriate. It does not give them the right to intimidate you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You've just quoted two different starting salaries, nearly €10k apart. Which one is correct?

    Possibly the customer base that you spend large parts of your time dealing with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Yea basically like the same people in cars you spend all day filming with your GoPro on your bicycle, but getting paid to sort them out…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If some of them actually got OUT of their cars from time to time, they might just have a better perspective on safety issues. It wasn't primarily drivers I was thinking of as their customer base. It was the swathes of drug addicts, alcoholics, homeless people, shoplifters, abusive partners, sexual abusers and more that they spend large parts of their days dealing with, often doing more social work than police work. Can't be a hugely pleasant environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    It's not all high speed car chases, flying around in helicopters and shooting bad guys!

    Policing in Ireland has a very broad range of issues that they deal with, and that's the job…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I thought my post was quite clear, obviously not. The salary is comprised of a gross base salary plus 25% to 30% in additional payments earned from working the rota that guards work.

    I've given the source for my information in both instances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You didn't give a source for these figures; starting salary of €46,638 to €48,504

    Where are these from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I did. The Minister for Justice, 2016 stated that earnings will include additional payments of 25% to 30%. There is a variance in the % due to the specific rota someone will work in a given year, e.g. how the public holidays fall etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You didn't mention the Minister for Justice until now. When asked for a source, it's a good idea to refer to a particular document or speech, more than the person. I'm still unclear on the difference between the €37k and €46/48k figures you quoted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    You need to re-read my post. I mentioned my sources for all the figures - including the minister for justice

    I'm not sure I can explain it any further. I think my original post is very clear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    Your sources are quite clearly shown in your post.

    The ministers comments are from a good number of years ago. I have a feeling that their base pay was bumped up and unsocial hours premium adjusted down in the last pay review, but I'm not sure.

    Leaving that aside, your calculation assumes the 25-30% is a percentage of base salary. To me it reads as a percentage of total gross earnings which increases the salary range to 49,774.67 to 53,301.43.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,894 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    " A year 1 salary of €46,638 to €48,504 (depending on shift patterns) is not "low pay". "

    There's no source given for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    That's just primary school maths.

    Base salary as given plus the percentage from the minister's comment.

    37,311 * (1.25 or 1.3) = 46,638.75 or 48,504.30

    or taking it as a percentage of gross earnings

    37,311 / (0.75 or 0.7) = 49,774.67 or 53,301.43



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭Banzai600


    i like others now carry something to protect myself, if i get pulled over by the cops i have an excuse, but i suspect if i use force to defend my motorbike, scooter and my person, it will be me having to explain myself in court defending whats mine. even so, i'll take my chances. i'll be all in. thats how bad its gotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭nearby_cheetah


    That's old trope used by Gardai to excuse how useless they are. If they wanted to be a judge then they should have put in a bit more effort into their schooling and became one. If the Gardai arrest someone 100 times, that's no excuse not to arrest them the 101st time. That's what they are paid to dfo.

    The Polish girl in my workplace goes round all the toilets each morning and leaves them sparkling and smelling of roses only for me to come in after a big lunch of chicken fillet rolls, biscuits and crisps and drop a big greasy, slippery shite so she comes round and leaves them all sparking again with a smile and a hello. Day after day.

    It's shows how much use the overweight, overpaid and over-pensioned Gardai are when the minimum wage Polish woman cleaning the bogs has more pride and interest in her work than they do.

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