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Craft Butchers?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭littlefeet


    For example, this is on my list to make. https://www.recipetineats.com/momofuku-bossam-korean-slow-cooked-pork/ I would expect a craft butcher to be able to get the right cut and weight to make it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    A few years ago a family member staying with us wanted to get Pork Butt to slow cook but couldn't find it in any of the supermarkets. I went to a local butcher and the counter staff hadn't a clue but the boss arrived and said it is called Pork Shoulder here in Ireland and he had it and I bought it. It definitely was very tender after slow cooking. When I questioned why the rest of the staff didn't know what it was the boss said that staff in butcher shops are mainly retail staff and don't know more than picking up a labelled piece of meat in plastic and selling it to you. When I ventured that he could train them to be proper butchers he said no way, because then they'd open their own butcher shops and he'd lose business. So it wasn't the staff's fault if they don't know anything about butchering. Anyway, pork shoulder should definitely be available in butcher shops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,123 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    God you’re after reminding me of something I used love to eat as a child, haven’t tasted it in years, but pig’s tongue! I’ve no idea how difficult it is to get nowadays and I never thought to ask where me old man used get it. I just assumed it came from the local abbatoir because I never saw it in a butcher’s. Now, I’m not so sure as I haven’t seen it in years anywhere 😳 I did google, it’s not expensive either -

    https://www.ryanmeats.ie/pork-tongue


    Also used love sheep’s and cows hearts, don’t see them in a supermarket any more, still pick up a few packs of liver though, I can’t claim to be a picky eater 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,848 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    If you're in Dublin all these and more offal are standard fare in various butchers on Moore st. and Parnell st.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    This is exactly the point I'm making. Asking a butcher to…….butcher some meat for you is not precious and over the top, it is standard fare and, not that long ago, would have been an automatic question from your local butcher. I used to have two regulars……one was a pork specialist and another for beef and lamb, such was the specilaised training.

    Go into Moore St and stand in FXBs for 15 mins and you'll see how normal a request like that is and how easily it is done by the right person with the right tools. Completely accomplished and professional staff, trained in the art, willing to go that bit further to ensure a happy customer. Nowadays they're too busy unloading the trays of crap they brought in from somewhere else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Bizarre take, bordering on delusional.

    Some elements are equal or better, but not many. The steaks in LIDL, for example, are top drawer and they can sell them at a lower price per kg than the local guy can due to economies of scale and shipping. But most of your basic day to day stuff is nowhere near the quality of the butcher round the corner. Get a pound of mince from Tesco and another from Higgins' in Sutton Cross. Fry both and collect the juice from both in separate glasses, then compare. Guarantee you it's like night and day.



  • Subscribers Posts: 736 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    Would this be the mince from Tesco with 18% fat, 10% fat, 5% or 3% fat? Most people shopping in these places don't even know what they're buying and that there's a vast difference between value ranges and finest ranges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,092 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Yes but to go into Higgins in Sutton cross , you would want to be on serious wedge , I mean serious. People who go in there don't look at prices...

    Post edited by FixdePitchmark on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Banzai600


    we have zero issue handling meat, did you not read my post stating this butcher ready meat tray fascination is ridiculous.

    if he will mince cuts of meat, why not just dice up the chicken breasts if asked, whats the issue there - he's a butcher right, so you cut / serve out the meat to a customer as they wish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,157 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    When I walk into my butcher it sounds like he is bidding on cattle marts. Their website claims they have their own herd and off site cutting house and they sell wholesale too.

    Why is a butcher not allowed own both a shop and slaughter house or herd that he sends to an independent slaughter house ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Meh, the difference in price with regular butchers and even supermarkets isn't that big on certain things, not any more. Their mince is €15/kg and supervalu round the corner sell Hereford mince for €6.50/lb, which is about €14.50/kg. The difference in quality is remarkable.

    They are very dear for certain things, though, you're right. My biggest issue is that they (and a few others in fairness) have started charging premium prices for the traditionally cheaper cuts of meat. I buy a lot of beef shin for stews and pies and they're charging €17/kg, which is dearer than the mince even! It's not that long ago that the likes of O'Mahony's were selling it for half that. You can still get it cheap enough in some places……..this crowd sell it for €7.70/kg. Same with heart, liver and kidneys. It's like they've jacked up the prices of the cheaper stuff so they don't have to do it with the dearer stuff.

    Same story with the fishmongers in Howth. All the cheaper stuff like crab claws etc. is now mad money. It's the way everything has gone, nowadays. Nothing makes me feel more like an auldfella than when I'm looking at the price of something and going…….."this has to be a pisstake…….a tenner for four lemsips?……….€7.50 for garlic chees chips? and a smoked cod and chips is HOW MUCH?????!??"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,916 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    No offence, but you have the dietary habits of a grey crow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,123 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    None taken at all, I take it they're not picky eaters either? 😂

    (as an aside, only ate cows tongue once, but I said I wouldn't link to it as it's too weird looking! 😕)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    Go to a butcher and ask him to order it for you. It's years since I last cooked it but I remember my mother tying it in a round tightly and lowering it into the water, and bringing it to the boil, when cooked she skinned it. It's delicious if you get beyond thinking it is actually tongue, and sliced across the top of the round it makes good slices for sambos. And zero fat! Good luck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,095 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ive come across beef tongue and chicken hearts in the last while.

    If there's a Polo Store near you their meat counter can have interesting cuts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,501 ✭✭✭almostover


    Find a better butcher. Tesco meat in particular is awful. I bought a joint of pork for roasting there before and it was inedible almost. My local butcher does a savage pork loin and the best bone in chops I've ever had. Some supermarket meat is good, but there's plenty of rubbish too. The butcher is streets ahead in my experience



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,855 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    So to refocus the question, what is a Craft Butcher. I’m asking about the branding - apart from the literal meaning of ‘craft’ and its associated labour expertise, the difference being the whole point of the original question, I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭fonecrusher1


    Yerrah its a load of BS really though. In the context of pork or chicken its all the same really isnt it. Whether its got a Dunnes Stores label on it or sitting in a fancy craft butchers window. Fair enough steak from a supermarket butcher can be unpredictable in quality but i've yet to get a bad aged steak from Aldi.

    I think some people buy any oul shite from their local Centra then complain that it wasnt good quality. What you mean that 2.99 barely chilled bright pink rump steak that you fried for an hour was tough??? ….

    I doubt anyone would be able to blind taste identify their craft butchers aged steak over a similar item from any major supermarket.



  • Subscribers Posts: 736 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    Exactly. There is a perception ingrained into peoples' minds that because you can buy cheap sh!t from supermarkets, it's all cheap sh!t. Therefore they walk around picking up the cheapest sh!t they can find, and compare it to the local butcher. Only ever going to be one winner in that scenario.

    The angus steaks in Aldi are top class, and have scooped up numerous awards. The finest firepit range angus ribsteak burgers from Tesco are savage, best burgers I've bbqed. Most people wouldn't know these ranges even exist. I don't use the butcher in supermarkets, I'd go straight to the prepackaged ranges on the shelves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Tesco Finest range is very good. Not just meat, everything. I find the steaks are at least as good as anything I've gotten in a local butcher. Due to the increase in prices in recent years, I only buy them when they are on their last day and half price. I have never purchased anything from a butcher counter in a supermarket

    There is a lot of BS associated with food generally and meat in particular. People have consumed too many TV cookery programmes and also have more money than sense. They love boasting about how rare they eat their steaks and portaying themselves as enlightened connoisseurs, name dropping restaurants and butchers while looking down on the rest of us savages.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 736 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    Yep. And thankfully European food standards are absolutely miles ahead of anywhere else. Irish produce is riding the crest of that wave, most of the meat produced here is sent abroad for a premium. To suggest that the local butcher is somehow getting a higher quality than the 2 biggest drivers in the quality of food we produce (export market and major retailers) is simply ludicrous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,855 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Generally, were is the stuff in the Craft Butcher's vac pac section coming from? Prepared and packed in house or bought in?



  • Subscribers Posts: 736 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    Often done in-house. Some will buy in primal cuts from the abattoir / wholesaler / processing plant and finish it off and package, others buy in the whole carcass and do the lot. Speciality products, sausages, puddings etc will often come in prepackaged, but not necessarily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Well it depends on the butchers, I suppose.

    The one around the corner from us make and package their own sausages, flavoured pork chops, chicken thighs etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭h2005


    I was Higgins butchers in Sutton at the weekend and they were vacuum packing it themselves behind the counter. Best butcher I’ve been in but I don’t see them on the Craft Butchers list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,157 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A big problem I have with supermarkets is the cuts. I'm a big fan of frying meat and the stuff from my butcher is thicker cuts so you can get a much better char without the thing turning hard and dry.

    Same with stewing meats. My butcher does nice big chunky cuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭famagusta


    The first two paragraphs are just not true, plenty of butchers still kill their own , we sell a half dozen direct to one every year.



  • Subscribers Posts: 736 ✭✭✭FlipperThePriest


    They are very rare. I think there are probably a few dozen nationwide that operate as an abattoir and butchers. Because of stringent EU regulations, to maintain a licence requires serious investment in facilities, ongoing inspections by approved vets, etc, and so by and large, they've all just died off. It's just not feasible to apply this level of investment to a butchers.

    Post edited by FlipperThePriest on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,123 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It seems to be literally just about the branding, like ‘artisan’ bakeries, but here’s one that occurred to me just minutes ago - I used see shop fronts for victuallers, which were butchers. It turns out that’s what they’re called only in Ireland. I looked it up and when it said victuallers sold alcohol, that didn’t seem right, they’re called vintners?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victualler

    EDIT: Nope, vintners are wine sellers (as distinct from cellars 😂)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    specially selected " hand tied " sausages, i have to laugh when i see it in shops.



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