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Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Thank you L1011.

    https://archive.is/YgvLp

    Excellent article and sums up how I feel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,166 ✭✭✭Buffman


    Looks like a nice little earner for the Government with VAT also:

    The annual report discloses that the income from unredeemed deposits has resulted in a VAT settlement by Re-turn of €23.7m.

    The wording of the RTE article is also fairly albeist IMO not considering people who are physically unable to take part in the scam scheme.

    Irish consumers last year turned their back on €66.7m when they failed to cash in their deposits for drink containers through the Government's Deposit Return Scheme (DRS).

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.

    Public transport user? If you're sick of phantom ghost services on the 'official' RTI sources, check bustimes.org for actual 'real' RTI, if it's on their map it actually exists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭bog master


    What about VAT on the sale of the recyclable materials?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Population of Ireland : a bit less than 6 million, so that 66 million that irish people have "turned their back on" equates to €11 euros per person. Is there anyone crying into their pint about losing out on 11 euros - over the course of a year? Wow, what could I do with that extra 11 euros? Buy 2 pints of Guinness, or one Gin and tonic. Get a small pizza from Dominos delivered.

    As the saying goes, a paper never refused ink, but yeah, very much a non story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,964 ✭✭✭jj880


    TheJournal have the same with a "Consumers miss out" headline. The desperate attempts to tell us its all our fault Re-Turn have a massive slush fund really are getting old:

    Consumers miss out

    IRISH CONSUMERS LAST year turned their back on €66.7 million

    the failure by consumers to redeem

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-consumers-miss-out-on-e66-7m-from-failing-to-cash-in-deposit-return-scheme-deposits-6786533-Aug2025/

    Maybe just maybe these consumers dont want to engage with a half assed DRS.

    The company’s 2024 costs totalled €62.2 million made up of direct collection and recycling costs of €46.5 million and administrative expenses of €1.5.7 million which included a spend of €4.6 million on ‘marketing, communications, and public awareness’.

    Costs of 62.2 million for a year with nearly 5 mill on advertising! Jaysus.

    A better breakdown of this figure would be nice but probably more chance of getting IBAN refunds at this stage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭bog master


    Just thinking about the makeup of all of these un redeemed deposits. Large sporting event here locally today, a good few food and drink stalls and the local shop. A large amount of bottled water and minerals sold. Are these attendees expected to carry around their empty bottles and cans all fecking day? Nearest ReScam machine is 17 miles away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,964 ✭✭✭jj880


    The great thing about Re-Turn is you will always have some harebrained idea presented as if its normal. That 4.6mill on marketing must be working. Let me ask you where there no bin surrounds at this sporting event?? Did you not go door to door at houses nearby to see if some child is saving up for a football! 🤣 Dont turn your back on that money! If you do you're a failure!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭bog master


    Bin Surrounds wtf is that? Tidy Towns Committee and local Scheme workers have to empty the bins!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I realise it's not what you want to hear but when someone buys an item and pays the deposit it is indeed up to them to reclaim it.

    It's a transaction with T's and C's.

    Surely an inconvenience for anyone arriving on foot.

    However those who arrived by car could just put them in the boot and bring them home.

    17 miles is a bit of a trek but presumably it's a journey people must make to buy groceries and maybe not all attendees are that far from a RVM.

    The days of buying a can or bottle on the go and dumping it without the penalty of losing the deposit are over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,044 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    A few local sports clubs have raised a few thousand euro by going to music festivals and cleaning up the bottles and cans afterwards.

    Great idea

    I'm sure a charity or sports club will benefit from the cleanup



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭bog master


    They have no option to not pay the deposit. This event would bring many families from a 50 mile radius with family members competing. The total event would last 3 hours or more. So a family arrives and buys a bottled water or mineral for themself or families members and you expect them to carry around an empty bottle for an hour or two? What planet are you living on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well that's more or less what I said.

    They have no option but to pay the deposit if they buy the can/bottle.

    So eyes wide open they decide to make the purchase, their choice.

    Same planetary Eircode as yourself I guess 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Some very interesting comments in this Journal article.

    Do you return your bottles and cans to get your deposit back? https://share.google/iMl9pZItZds32W1iz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Airports. Bring the bottle on your weekend away or longer. Never mind tourists



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Last time I was flying, I had to empty my water bottle(I have a reusable water bottle that lives in my bag), and the security person pointed me to a green wheelie bin that was overflowing with plastic bottles. That was one green wheelie bin, and I looked down the rows of the security gates and there was a wheelie bin at each one. I wonder does someone go to the bother of emptying each one and going to collect a deposit, or do they just empty the green wheelie bin into a bigger green bin and put it out for collection.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,854 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Revolut me your 11 euros so. And tell all your friends. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,854 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Well I suppose it's up to them. People carry all kinds of stuff around all day, why not a few grammes of plastic compared to say, their phone or rain jacket or keys.

    Maybe some people are embarrassed to redeem their deposits also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Ive lost more than 11 euros already through this scheme. Why would I give you anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    More bin surrounds planned. This was announced before, but more detail in this update. 16 minutes on average for the containers to be picked up by someone looking to get the money that others don't need.

    https://re-turn.ie/re-turns-bin-surrounds-to-boost-on-the-go-recycling-in-dublin-city-centre/

    Unrelated, I was in Navan for 2 GAA Football League games earlier this year. I walked fom Blackcastle past the Round O and via Flower Hill to Tailteann Park, around 20 minutes walk. Both Sundays I did not see a single container discarded on the way to the stadium or on the way back. Lots left behind on the terraces at the ground, but I assume someone connected with organising the games would arrange for those to be "cashed in". People can bring the full containers to sports events, but it is too much trouble for them to bring the empties home it seems. And plenty of them are not empty, lots of expensive sugary water being thrown away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Cork Airport has four RVMs.

    Deposit Return machines installed at Cork Airport https://share.google/B2msTJe15sLkzdt8r

    Based on that Dublin should probably have eight or more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭bog master


    Kind of old news!

    Deposit Return machines installed at Cork Airport

    Updated / Wednesday, 13 Nov 2024 16:54



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,609 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Well yes….

    You'd think the news would have got through to Dublin Airport by now 🙂

    Especially seeing as how the DAA operates both airports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,876 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Regardless, €66m equates to between 264m and 440m containers that aren't being properly recycled through this system. The onus is on re-turn here to get to these people

    Return points for crushed products, home deliveries and gigs/festivals/sporting event will have to happen and I think it was extremely naive to think they could get away with not offering these services and still achieve 90%+ return rate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Some of them are going into can bins at bottle banks. When they are nearly full you can see the logo cans clearly. One of the bottle banks local to me is 100 metres from a RVM. The operation of bottle banks has been contracted out to private waste companies. They want people to crush their cans.

    But the bottle bins and the can bins get contaminated by people putting in all sorts of stuff which does not belong. Why people go to a bottle bank with cans for which they get nothing is beyond me. When they can get 15 cents for them for no extra effort.

    https://www.fingal.ie/council/service/bring-bank-provision



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Did they remove the one that was in Dublin airport?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,064 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There were reports of those bins being raided for cans.

    A few of them have been removed from my area that used to have them.

    It could be cleanup groups putting damaged cans \ cans collected from litter in there.

    I would doubt at this stage how many actually returnable cans are in there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    At a time of an unprecedented cost of living crisis, our Government have lumped this additional charge on us the plebian taxpayers. I guess at one point they hoped the drinks producers would swallow the cost but when they didn't the whole scheme should have been scrapped.

    But we can only assume there were some well connected people who would have lost a few quid, and perhaps some red faces in Government, so the Government ploughed on.... the PR campaign is nothing short of sickening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In a couple of bins I saw plenty of Coors and Carlsberg cans in good condition on top of the heap. Looking like they came from houses. I never heard of cleanup groups disposing of the waste they pick up into bottle bank facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,734 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The producers covering the deposit cost has not happened anywhere in the world and would not provide any benefits in consumer behaviour changes so no, your guess is about as far wide of the mark as possible



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The only way to change producer behaviour is to increase the deposit cost to 2 or 3 euro per item, otherwise they are getting off pretty much scott free as we continue to increase the use of plastic containers.



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