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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    A little story about the current tb explosion and its effects you don't see in the stats.near us there is a farmer that uses to walk his cows up and down the main road to grass and most of their land was down the road so it was twice a day alot of the time but it worked no problem because the cows knew the story and were used to travelling away on their side of the road with the traffic.but they got depopulated with tb and it has meant they decided to stop milking as even if they bought back it would be a complete s##tshow as the new cows wouldn't be trained so would end up all over the place.i just think it's sad that that this current tb scourge has forced their hand and I always admired how they well it used to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    and the yearly sub has just gone up again too …710 euro for few disc group meetings and biss /dero application ….a very expensive sub for what you get



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The no fence collars would probably solve the issues with a new herd, but the cost of restocking now would be crazy I'd doubt the compensation money would cover like for like replacements even if you could source them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Yes,a few gone around here, full depopulation.

    I would probably not go back milking either unless you could be fairly sure the same thing, wont happen again in a years time.

    The department will send out a few lads to check the badgers for a week and then it's "goodluck" .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,760 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I'm not saying anything. But I see on a US farming forum a teacher/farmer had rigged up a pipe from a lawnmower exhaust with a dribble tap valve that held diesel that would slow dribble into the exhaust pipe. They were using it for gophers or some other underground critters having sealed up all earth holes. Commentators were replying he must have German heritage.

    Just comparing forums and jisting of the different places on earth. Man had the lawnmower spray painted gold.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭visatorro


    I suppose you'd never find out why the costs are up. I wouldn't imagine a regular advisor or researcher are on crazy money. Is it all upstairs you'd wonder?

    On the machinery thing they probably aren't wrong in fairness. Remember I was sorting out a few things in 2023. An accountant and someone with finance company both said farmers went abit mad after 2022. The finance woman said she'd ask what loans were in a place, none was the answer. Then she'd have to explain that finance on machinery was basically a loan. Yeah but sure that's different!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Was done on a neighbouring farm here re the smoking out, issue was when smoke started bellowing out of holes 100 odd ft from entrance, a main badger set is a enormous structure, that in some cases could be a 100 odd years plus old..

    The worst thing any farmer could do is let the department know where the sets are on their farms, best to do any clean up jobs in house, heard of a case last year where a neighbours dog ended up caught in a snare, department pulled pin after that happened and haven't done any control since and a few farms are down in the area still



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,760 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Unfortunately that seems to be the way the dept are pushing farmers.

    Curlew and corncrake restoration projects have badger culling as part of the program to protect the birds. It's working. And legal for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    With machinery inflation anything bough then that was actually needed and is been kept in good nick/not wrecked was a great investment, loader bought here in early 24 is now 14k plus the vat dearer to buy today, know a man that bought the same model loader in 2021 for 20k less plus vat than what I paid in 24...

    Tractor bought here in 2020 for 65k incl vat is still worth 60, issue is to change her for a similar model with the same hours as when bought 5 years ago would be 115k, can't really justify it will run her on and hope theirs no nasty repair bills but have money set aside if they do occur



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭atlantic mist


    780/17,000 dairy farmers completed the e-profit monitor…..thats 5% of the industry…..yet they speak as though they represent us all at times

    the one thing that stood out to me from moorepark open day and aiden article in farmers journal is that good land grows more grass due to longer grazing season and is more profitable in a grass based system than a farm with bad land……excellent farmers that achieve average results on poor ground is far more impressive to me than someone in the top 1% on golden vale ground



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Meanwhile in the land of a part-time new entrant with 90% first-calvers and plenty mistakes to make yet…

    …I reckon 350kg solids on TAD next year will be where I’ll be at. That’ll leave me a nice few quid when all bills and the loan are paid.

    I’m in the south-east with around 20% heavy-ish ground. That’s south-east heavy not west of Ireland heavy. I’ll be running calves and yearlings to manage land and grass at the shoulders of the year.

    So, that’s my willy waved for anyone interested 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,204 ✭✭✭straight


    My Local teagasc office is full of extra staff anyway. They're falling over each other. Maybe they should start an hour earlier and finish an hour later and take less time off. 😅

    The thing is, It's all blanket advice from these lads. If someone was struggling with sh1t machinery for years and finally got the chance to trade up for example. If someone was struggling with no wage or pension for years, leave them pay themselves well in the good year.

    Teagasc can keep their financial advice to themselves as far as I'm concerned. I don't borrow money for anything apart from buying property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,078 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Not against buying machinery at all. Just making the point that people in reality weren't in a position to spend money were getting finance on a temporary high milk price. Farmers can be bad business people aswell!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    buying machinery is far from bad advice - lads need to think of the tax implications and things that come of it

    If you can’t afford 4-5 k a month on repayments you have to question are you profitable or not

    Now if you have other loans for said amount that’s a different story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,302 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    You have to live aswell, no point pressurising yourself to make repayments and being a slave to the farm. There's more to life believe it or not than tractors and cows



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I didn’t want to say it but…

    Outside interests are probably good for your farm business as well as your general wellbeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    How are lads for winter feed and grass around the place?. Here in north Cork we're in a fairly problematic drought. Most people with very little 2nd cut done , and grazing what they have and I was talking to my advisor and he said serious amounts of pk being fed .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Complete opposite in the midlands pits are all wedged, conservative estimate have 500 extra tons of silage in the yard at 30% dm versus last year,with that been of the milking platform as surplus..

    Zero market for silage bales/hay locally either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭older by the day


    4 to 5k repayments every month,

    Are you forgetting that we are not all, like yourself.

    I personally, would prefer not. It wasn't long ago milk was mid 30s.

    Every farmer/ family is at different stages in life. Il hopefully will be sending children to college, helping getting them on the road. So other than the pension to save tax I'm not spending much on the farm.

    Another question is do you really need what your buying, the more you have, the more you have to look after. There's a lot of machinery that will rust out before it will ware out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,302 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Was a lad here today couldn't believe we're still using our tm125, bought new in 2000. They don't make tractors like that anymore



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    Over the last few years anyone buying decent good machines has done quite well and when the shxt hits the fan, machinery is fairly liquid compared to land or cows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Bad day here today. Over half the milkers gone with TB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    have heard that re north cork south tipp over to kk Carlow ….polar opposite here steady strong growth most of summer …lot of reseeding done and a mountain of silage and good quality dry silage too made with lots more over coming weeks ,and bumper crop of maize as well ….if you end up tight over winter /spring drop me a dm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    Great position to be in. I've the same amount of feed now as I had end of last year with 3rd cut coming in within the next 2 weeks so anything I feed should be replaced. It's costing me but I'm up between 700 and 1000 litres a collection on this time last year so at least that's extra feed is covering itself. I'd say lads around me will be in fair bother in 2 weeks with the forecast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,302 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Sorry to hear that. We got word a neighbour got locked up a few weeks ago and we heard nothing from him or the department, ai man told us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    don’t really need it at all tbh- but I’ve zero interest in buying land

    Reality is there won’t be a next generation milking here as I wouldn’t wish the 7 day week to anyone- wife is a secondary school teacher and she has some serious time off


    land repayments are a long term while machinery is only 4-5 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    I should be fine mahoney thanks for the offer. Im lucky enough I replaced half my wholecrop with maize this year so I'm plenty coming in next month and ill just buy an extra load or 2 if I need . Plus crimp wheat price should be great value this year. Anyone get a solid price on straw bales yet? Their trying for 30 around me and could anyone blame them with the price of cereals at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,805 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Oh feck, I'm very sorry to hear that, was that an annual test,



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