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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Doug was a armed foreigner in Afghanistan before the taliban ran the brit home-

    Should dead Afghan families sue him-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Nope- the English invaded here and fightback hit the foreign invader with one tonne bombs in English city's- the English will always pay the price for coming here-

    Palestinians would never dare to hit Israeli citys with tonne bombs- but our provos slapped the brit hole with them-

    Pay up stupid beat brit-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    The UFF had enough weapon to be effective, the real jewel they had was British Intelligence or directed by British Intelligence. But I would agree Loyalism is a waining force in the Unionist community. Most of the players of that time are dead or on a backward footing (Mike Stone, Billy Wright, Johnny Adair).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    it sounds like the solution you are proposing as status quo.
    According to you, West Belfast rocked last night and his loving life.
    The unionist community have just rocked for weeks and the heart of Londonderry is rocking to the biggest parade of all just now - even though the ira and the sf residents groups tried for decades to stop it - they actually encouraged its increase. So seems everyone is happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    There’s very few ‘invaders’ don’t bring lots that’s positive.
    was just listening to something this morning on the radio that the first settlement ever on this island was 9000 years ago in Coleraine - and yes, you guessed it where they came from 🙂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    You do realise since the early 90's the British have been pouring money into Northern Ireland? Its a massive burden on the UK tax payer. Remember 26BN in and only 16BN out? how does that show value for money? British tax payer cant wait to get shot of Northern Ireland. You are going to have some tight years afterward. This idea that money will just flow in with the bright new baby might not happen based on the brain drain. There is a low skill base and little to no modern manufacturing.

    That cushy number down at the UK civil service job wondering which tea shop should get a 50k start up grant and games of thrones tours? Them days are quickly numbered. You are not bringing a young skilled workforce, any manufacturing or a group of graduates that want to stay. Anyone I have met from Northern Ireland I have met has fallen into one of two camps one cannot move (either cannot move due to lack of skills or financially invested both entrenched positions) or the other that cannot wait to get as far away as they can and are high skilled and mentally agile. That is not a great position for a work force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    fairly disgusting stuff when you think of e.g. the two young boys killed in Warrington.
    I would never dream of suggesting that UVF ‘kicked Irelands hole’ when they murdered innocent people in Dublin and Monaghan.
    but there has always been a difference in the way unionists and Republicans have approached violence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Well, I'd say without a doubt that Ulster was the poorest part of Ireland prior to the English. Sure the Plantation wasn't nice, but still the English brought the industry to Belfast and lot's of it.

    Also the Celts never went to Britain? So the story went basically both ways, believe it or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Think about the logic of what you were saying.  

    If loyalist were getting so much help from British intelligence then they must’ve been hitting the IRA and not innocent Catholics.  

    It sounds like you’re also saying the loyalist have gone, but they IRA have not gone away.  

    I don’t actually agree with either statement, but I find it strange that that’s what you’re suggesting – you can’t have it both ways



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I am fairly cold character and try to view everything objectively. I certainly take no joy in seeing seeing civilian or combatants casualties. Yeah taking joy in the death of young children is a particular special kind of low and poor taste.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I think that British Intelligence service/British Army Intelligence were a fairly perverse lot (as opposed to common british solider who didnt understand the conflict fully). I think much like Vietnam, the war was against the general populations as it was against identified players. I dont think either IRA or Loyalists are gone from training and engineering and diversified into protection and drug dealing. I do think there are massive IRA caches that have never seen the light of day and counter sunk in grease …….just in case.

    I did see one interview with Northern Irish teenagers and they were asked questions. They saw the future as more of gender identity, social equality and things like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Agreed, you cannot have it both ways it true. Before the plantation of Ulster there was Tristan and Isolde. Didnt St Patrick himself get picked up by a raiding party and enslaved. The Gaelic Ulster and Ulster Scottish have more in common with each other than the Anglo Irish in my opinion.

    @michael-henry-mcivor would you not extend the hand of peace and settled down and raise wains with a nice unionist girl?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    The UFF handed their weapons over to the police during the decommissioning time frame of the GFA-

    The Provos never handed over a bullet or a ounce-

    Brit intelligence is anti loyalist now-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Yes- once the orange order learnt its manners at drumcree other areas came up with compromises-

    But the Orange order had to be beat- and it was-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Who cares about the brit- sh1t-

    They invaded- they were beat- they will pay always and a day for that- make no mistake-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Warrington was just one of the thousands of distraction operations that allowed the Tonne bombs into English city's to obliterate them- and it worked-

    Unionists ran from the Boyne Dunkirk Afghanistan- that's the difference all right-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    We are costing the soft English a clean fortune-

    And the invading fcuks will always pay for that-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Most likely from being indoctrinated as a child, this is way deeper that a few nights out on a college bended with INLA-youth wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I wouldn’t be getting on a high horse yourself, you believe that a United Ireland was already agreed years ago because someone told you it…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Other way around, the British are cutting you loose. You will have to pay taxes to the EU, like real taxes. If you think UK

    bureaucracy was bad wait until you hear about this bigger machine with less accountability further away in Brussels. Them cushy civil service jobs are over, those stupid small business grants are gone and you will have to pay real taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Well I am opposed to a United Ireland, not in my interest but I am grounded enough to see it is inevitable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Seems like the Troubles are still going on in your mind…..

    That "we" seems only be one person, yourself. And if it were more than yourself, people like myself would say No again and again.

    I'd say Ireland isn't ready for a unification. But until 2125 that's all in it's own good time…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,362 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I disagree again.

    Who says the price tag will be 'very heavy'? Whoever says that is speculating about something unknown until there are settlement negotiations.
    There is no reason northern Ireland cannot be as prosperous as any other part of Ireland if it is run properly. Correction there is one reason - lack of care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Current calculations do indeed mention a very huge price tag for Dublin and the ROI. It's to the tune that the ROI couldn't handle unless raising taxes. ( sure the SF won't object….)

    However this can change if say NI had a very very strong economy and is taking in enough taxes to fund all the public services.

    I doubt that this can be achieved easily and quickly. By 2125 it could be achievable but it's a long term plan.

    And then there is the distrust towards the SF. The SF is a high taxation political party, they'd hardly help on economic matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,362 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The poster asserted that a no longer existing country ROI would pay a heavy price.

    That is speculation. An unknown until the deal is negotiated and transition is arranged.
    Any ‘price’ will be paid by everybody in a UI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,888 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I tend to compare the situation with NI very much like South Tyrol in Italy, a region which was formerly part of Austria. Similar to the plantation, the Austrians were ill-treated, had to leave and give up their farms, had to speak Italian, had their children to be educated in Italian. At the same time Italians from Sicily were settled in cities and were to be given preferential treatment for jobs. The Italians even changed names of cities and towns and even names on grave stones to Italian sounding names. The Italians also insisten on Italian looking archtecture when building houses and buildings. They also built Italian war and military memorials where no battle was ever fought…..

    As you can expect this didn't go down too well and resulted into certain troubles. This was only resolved in the 70ies when language rights were accepted and guaranteed.

    Today South Tyrol has a way stronger economy than average Italy. They theoretically have the right to hold a referendum, but there is no majority in doing so. South Tyrol never had a referendum whilst NI had two I believe. They seem to be doing better as part of Italy as opposed to Austria and a strong majority wants to keep the status quo.

    It's now been more than 100 years and Austria would even feel overwhelmed if Austria had to integrate South Tyrol, as expectations of both sides would be too different.

    Both part of the EU, also religion is the same. Real issues don't exist. It's possible NI would go the same way one day, in say 2125….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,362 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No two place are alike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Remember you are dealing with the Irish government. If they make their own population homeless, imagine what they will do to the Northern Irish population?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,362 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You imagine all you want, you seem to be talented in that department. 👍



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