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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In relation to my post about the ads. My point is that encouraging users to not use ad blockers if the ads are that obtrusive, then that's not gonna work. Ads can be used effectively but a banner covering an entire page is not effective. It's an effective way of reducing their user base the way it's being approached ATM. That's a valid criticism.

    Do you think users are likely to disable ad blockers if the entire page is covered with an ad? I think you're doing a fine job at making it less likely for someone to subscribe if that's the response to feedback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭Esse85


    These ads remind me of what the phone companies do when they release a new phone model, all of a sudden the battery life of your current phone gets worse, in the hope this pain will prompt you to upgrade to their latest model.

    Might be successful with Apple when you're in that eco system, but if often backfires too and you lose customers for life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭Mr Disco




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,085 ✭✭✭✭con747


    As I said, I'm expecting nothing. You obviously are, that's your'e choice so don't subscribe.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Help Keep Boards.ie Alive sign up here

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/ Keep Boards Subscribed To.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,118 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    Hardly your best post Mike. I remember an old man saying to me one time that you should never p1ss on the dog when your hand is in it's mouth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,490 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I subscribed because I thought, look, boards is something, at the end of the day, that I'd like to see survive and fifty wasn't too much - though I entirely get it if others baulk at that.

    But I agree completely with everything you've said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭user060916


    It seems to be very obvious the subscription target won't be met, and by a long way.

    I'll miss a few forums, especially bargain alerts but I'm sure they'll eventually be a replacement.

    Boards has been unfortunately dying for a good while, would be great to see it go to the community though.

    I'd much rather spend a good few hours a month on dev / infra side of things and I'm sure you'd find others who would do legal / marketing etc.

    I'd probably be willing to through 20k or something at it especially if got rights to all the posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭user060916


    Have the new ads changes broken opening up a thread and being shown the first unread comment?

    Now every thread I open goes to the last comment and I've to scroll back up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 451 ✭✭Night owl gal


    Donated a few euros by Paypal. Thanks. Praying this site doesn't die



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭SharpCoder


    Hate is a strong word and thrown around here a lot, i would say dislike would be a better description. This is why i change the site with a userscript myself because i can and because i do see issues but could also be the ocd or just the coder in me to do it. My point been it's not fixed and doesn't even seem like they even try to. Seems like they can't, won't or pretend to be able to use the software and while it's managed, that doesn't mean they can't make small changes to help usability, hell a userscript just changes the CSS or Javscript of a a page which any staff member could do via the dashboard, like if i can make subtle changes with zero access to the sites server or dashboard, then why can't they with full access?

    AI overview is not a "algorithm change", and AI overview still has multiple links to the sources of said search query, which is clear on most searches it actually shows up on. I just tested 5 queries on google.ie and just did searches for says "boards donald trump" or "boards important news", all of which did not show AI overview at all. Now this doesn't mean that it doesn't happen and google could do a better job of showing the links like below example searching how to create a website in ireland.

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    Now while AI Overview seems to be focused on generative questions like these, most searches on content already on boards does not show AI Overview. However if the content falls under googles search criteria, it would show in the AI Overview if the content was relevant to the search however most content these days on here does not.

    While there are some who spend their waking hour on here debating the sanity of donald trump or what should happen in gaza, or why Irish people speak English, it just isn't content that would garner search credibility, especially with todays generation. While SEO is a major thing in todays web, the content really needs to formulated better than it is on here, with broken links fixed and content better accessible.

    To comment on the VPS i mentioned, that was a relatively high range VPS provided by a Irish company, that would also offer expansion if needed or you could use a cloud based DB alongside with the VPS and get all the benefits of that with active backups and disaster recovery, but the main point was more so the cost, it's doesn't cost 100,000 - 120,000 euro a year to host boards. The site itself could be run on a raspberry pi, but would it run good? not a chance, but the site and database are two different things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,117 ✭✭✭✭chopperbyrne


    So the new full screen ads on mobile prevent you going to last unread post, and send you straight to the end of the thread when you close the ad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    I think there’s alot of reasonable suggestions being submitted and a lot of people genuinely trying to help. I don’t disagree with alot of the feedback.

    There’s also a lot of obnoxious ******* with a weird gloating fetish , celebrating board’s demise and sometimes thinking they are clever wrapping it in “user feedback”. It’s more satisfying to be entertained by their emotional immaturity then angry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Have to subscribe then pal, you heard them, it is the only way out



  • Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3, API Token user Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Odhran
    Boards.ie Employee


    Could you email an example of that please to hello@boards.ie if you can? The new ad formats should not have changed functionality. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,490 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I admit that I haven't delved too into the weeds about this - and maybe my understanding is surface level - but wasn't the potential detrimental effects of changes to the Google algorithm widely reported at the time? I haven't been studying the ins and outs of it to a massive extent, but haven't others on the net and in the media also raised the same concerns that boards have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Finding an exact example isn't easy. Basically you need to browse. And if an ad is opened when you load the page, then it jumps straight to the newest post.

    And I'd say you're finding far more in my post than was actually there.



  • Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3, API Token user Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Odhran
    Boards.ie Employee


    @dulpit … I don't get paid. The no ad subscription - which I have explained several times as why this has to be a thing now - is to raise enough funds to keep Boards.ie going. Before then we did it with ad reveneue … which btw took about a year to get to breakeven. Now with amongst other issues the impact of Google - the impact Ai has on search … the many other platforms we compete with for share of people's time … all have an impact.

    If I was in this just for the money (again of which there is none to be clear) I would have shut it down a long time ago. Boards has loans of about +200k that have not been paid back.

    I posted at the start of this the why we are where we are - there is now a 'doomsday timer' as you call it but that started a long time ago.

    I have also commented about the plan. Again it is difficult for me to have any kind of reply here - I could throw out all sorts of plans that mean nothing if we arent able to keep the lights on. So that is the focus for now - help keep a community alive. To do that it needs cashflow - if that happens then great…

    Simple fact is forums like boards all around the world face the same problem which is a large portion of their users dont want to pay. Non forum examples are great - but they are very different propositions with very different motivations.

    Again, to the (so far) 632 people who have subscribed and the 11 who have donated via Paypal - thank you all very much. You have generated €22,192.00 and counting. If you want to keep tabs on that you can check here - Im updating it throughout the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    You can’t win against certain posters.

    “If” you presented a plan for spending (which you already have IMO a few pages back detailing the high level costs that need to be met) the same people would be critising the plan saying they could do it for a tenner cheaper.

    This is the same as any subscription service to go add free (e.g YouTube).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭mirrormatrix


    I wish you all the best of luck with it, but im more or less moved to reddit these days, which costs me nothing for a superior service.

    I dont pay for anything that i can get for free elsewhere so im probably not your target audience with this appeal!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I don't think I'd ever go to Reddit. The idea of innocuous posts being downvoted to oblivion doesn't sit well with me.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,883 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Might have missed it, but was the promised 'vanilla Vanilla' staging demo ever posted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,490 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think Reddit is a very poor substitute - linear conversations are impossible, or at least difficult and the downvote function leads to threads becoming one way traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,499 ✭✭✭championc


    If not in it for the money, then is now the time to hand it over to someone else who is prepared to run with it ?

    Surely someone has already approached you about this

    Whatever about this year, but I cannot see it being sustainable to go back to the begging bowl again in 12 months time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,085 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Why do people keep saying "begging bowl" I am paying for a service that I believe is worth every cent of the large amount of €1.50 per week and will gladly pay it for years if the site keeps going.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Help Keep Boards.ie Alive sign up here

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/ Keep Boards Subscribed To.



  • Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3, API Token user Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Odhran
    Boards.ie Employee


    Not yet it is still being worked on and needs more work….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭jj880


    Yip and apparently people who have already paid and have links in their signatures to the subscription page are beggars also! Bizarre.

    >>> BOARDS IS IN TROUBLE - SUBSCRIPTIONS NEEDED <<<

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    This is infuriating and will not encourage infrequent site users to return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,230 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    From the above post by Odhan, it should be completely clear that should the current company fail the site will not go to the community. No set of volunteers is going to shoulder a €200k debt and no creditor is going to allow the companies assets to be just given away. It's a dead end. A non runner.

    Dare I say it, I'd be happy to give more if I could be confident that it would keep the site going. Maybe something like a Kickstarter (or a reboot in this instance) where unless the funding goal is reached everyone gets refunded.

    Otherwise it feels like this is fundraising for winding down.

    As for the posters relishing in the sites demise - no one will miss this place more than you when it's gone. You all have huge post counts, from this or the many other accounts you have had over the years. And once it's gone, it's gone forever. There will be no recreating it, once the users disperse the critical mass we had here will not be achieved again.

    For those that have posted reasons for not backing the site, they are actually excuses because you were never going to back it. You'd have always found a reason.

    We can all find reasons to not subscribe - the place is deeply flawed in how it's presented and run - moderation sometimes awful, communication absent, site barely functioning, but it is (was?) a unique Irish resource and in my opinion worth keeping despite it's failures. It will be a shame to see it go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭SharpCoder


    Only difference is AI now gives an overview of results for your search query which has an excerpt of the answer/result so people just see that on top'ish of the search results instead of the entire site so just leave with that result, so not a algorithmic change but just the addition of AI support in search. SEO (Search Engine Optimization) still plays a major role in getting your results in search, just AI is just making it super easy for todays lazy generation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭mirrormatrix


    Depends what you want a substitute for i guess. If you want a conversation, then sure, I agree with you. But if you just want to find out new information or the answer to a specific question (which is what i want from a forum) then it is far superior, as you get the hughest voted answer straight at the top.

    Nothing at all wrong with what you are looking for, and im not saying one is objectively better than the other, but we just want different things out of a message board.



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