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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    Just save boards lol.

    What you fail to understand is the site management have convinced a tiny minority of naive users to put a corpse on life support.

    Management already confirmed there are no plans for change to save the site. Yet you are here telling people to finance incompetence.

    Let it go with what dignity the site has left.

    Maybe a phoenix will rise from the ashes but I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,042 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    There has been a zero tolerance policy towards anyone challenging the people you're describing for the last year or so.

    These posters have had free reign to spam that thread and antagonise other users for fun and as soon as they're pulled up the person pulling them up gets slapped with a ban.

    It reached a point where you needed to have these people on ignore because any interaction with them could result in a ban.

    Nobody should be free to be a dick to anyone, I've said for the last few years that all that's needed is fair and balanced moderation, not accepting crap form these spoofers and far left extremist types.

    When the new ban system was introduced a few months ago suddenly there were one day bans and escalating bans etc being handed out for ridiculous reasons, things like "tone" in situations where it's not reasonable to cite that as a problem with a post.

    The leaked posts from the mod forum were a serious issue as well. I get that mods are free to vent, but I saw my name mentioned by a moderator I'd never interacted with up to that point as did other users. The level of animus towards users was really over the top and it's a bell that can't be unrung. We know what their opinions are and that they'd like to perma ban a good number of us for the sake of not liking some stuff we've written.

    If this place is to continue operating there needs to be a change in attitude towards users from mods/admins.

    Bad behaviour shouldn't be tolerated but if you're finding ways to get at someone for some personal reason, you'll eventually run out of victims and there'll be no community left.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭nachouser


    CA is not "the community." It's 40-50 lads, tops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    The site is much more than CA as I tried to explain in my last post. You continue to drag is back to CA moderation at every turn.

    If you need to put posters on ignore as you don't like them disturbing an echo chamber maybe it's not the other posters fault?

    You won't get banned for having a civil discussion with any other poster on this site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I have no idea who you are and there was no changes to moderation on the motor forum that I was aware of.

    Maybe the problem is you and not the site that we are trying to keep alive?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,754 ✭✭✭Packrat


    This is and exactly This why I won't sub having been here since 2004 ish and having grown up with the forum and learned so so much from it.

    Its utterly disgusting how a small cohort of posters and mods have destroyed what was the best site of its kind on the planet.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    All are wrong but Boards.ie are right, I mean, what would you expect from a subscriber ? seriously, is this how it's going to be, " I pay my sub so I'm going to just agree with the mods" in the hope the rest of us just disappear ? or "I'm a subscriber so I'm, going to send you private messages warning you about speaking out publicly against the moderation will get me a permanent ban " seriously. Just friendly advice you see, trying to save me……. I don't want to see you get banned. FFS lads.

    I think the subscribers alone will be the final nail in Boards.ie coffin, the self entitled self appointed silent mods sending PMs. The paying boards representatives, the boards lackeys. Oh Lord no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,042 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    I was responding to that topic in isolation.

    Your own behaviour in the wake of the relaxation of the CA rules was a disgrace. You went out of your way to make a nuisance of yourself to prove some ridiculous point and you have the nerve to come in here talking about how things degenerated at that point and you only subscribed once the rules went back in your favor.

    And I have been banned for having a civil conversation as it happens. I was banned for saying "bye now" at the end of a post which I was told was "sarcastic" and that my tone wasn't right. When I argued against that the ban was dropped and miraculously I was banned again for a post from a week earlier when I referred to case that was ongoing ("without saying anything about it, just saying it was happening). Thats Vindictive behaviour on the part of the mod in question. They were going to get me whatever way they could regardless of how inconsequential the issue, I was marked for a ban. That's not how a community is built and while boards is more than CA, that really isn't the point.

    Current affairs are the biggest topics a site like this can host. If you're dealing with serial sh1t posters and moderation that's based on personal biases you'll never get the balance right.

    I mentioned early in this thread that subscribers shouldn't be given special dispensation to be dicks to others, but at the same time the manner in which mods deal with paying customers needs to be adjusted to some extent. It seems that after a short change we're back to forum bans and thread bans have made a comeback without any announcement it would seem.

    We need mods to stop the place falling apart but the balance isn't right and it hasn't been for a long time unfortunately.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭SharpCoder


    I will chime in for my 5c worth.

    I will not be subscribing.

    I mostly use the desktop when on boards.

    I will never see ADs on boards.ie, regardless of how many they add or try to lock behind a user-group.

    I hide all signatures and banners, also the terrible right side navigation and horrible footer.

    They say they have a full time employee, what do they do exactly? Certainly not improve the forum or the issues forthwith. There are literally multiple user-groups like 3-4 boards employee groups and 2-3 registered users groups??. No wonder there is a massive permissions issue. There is no need to list what groups a user is in multiple parts on the user-bit of the forums, and why does both post counts have different values and why is there two? Hell, even advertise in the misaligned footer goes nowhere. i don't even work or volunteer on boards and i can fix it on my side. Sorry @miamee, used you as an example.

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    Simple adjustment to acknowledge subscribers, and keep moderators just as…moderators.

    Remove second post count and actually let users see the "avatar" their subscription says they can change even though anyone can change it now.

    They say google advertisements changed an algorithm that breaks advertisements, going against it's very nature and their revenue also, doesn't make sense. Google want you to have adverts, their business depends on it so the excuse just doesn't pan.

    A lot of the post data is broken with no linked "my posts" that actually works as it should, eg: i have over 300+ posts, it says i have 1 in menu but zero on the page.

    There is not a lot of work in maintaining a forum, and i have done so many times over many years using board software from SMF,MyBB, IPS,vB and Xenforo for example. While migrating from one server or software to another can be a daunting task depending on Database size or if a proxy migration is needed, it's a once off task and you don't migrate everyday. A proxy migration is were a migration needs to be done to one other forum software then on to another because that software only has a migration script for that other board.

    As for costs on operating boards.ie site..

    .IE domain example boardss.ie - €190 for 10 years - Irish registrar

    VPS server, specs like 16GB Ram, 160GB disk space, 5TB bandwidth - Approx 4,000 per year - Irish Hoster

    Since Xenforo's importer doesn't support vanilla for example, you would or could use the free board MyBB to convert to using its merge tool, then convert MyBB to Xenforo (the proxy migration i mentioned).

    Xenforo even if the avenue permitted, will migrate it to their cloud xenforo for approx €120+ for you.

    I could go on but i wont.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Is there any chance of moving to a better, dedicated forum software? Xenforos top level, no code, hosted package is around 2k per year, and brings back a lot of the user friendly nature of browsing the site that was lost with the move to vanilla. Literally nobody has ever said a good thing about vanilla, why keep flogging a dead horse?

    Another migration would be a pain, but is definitely achievable. You could absolutely assemble a project team from the userbase who would likely do it for the price of a few beers and pizza



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,088 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Neither naive nor coerced, some of us want the site to survive some want to waffle on about one forum and Moderation. Others have all the answers from starting a new site or migrating this one for a pittance so why don't they is the question considering they say it's so cheap and easy. A hell of a lot of moaners on this thread. As @Ha Long Bay said there is a whole world outside of C/A's waiting for genuine posters.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Help Keep Boards.ie Alive sign up here

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/ Keep Boards Subscribed To.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Given your list of woes and insightful suggestions, is there any chance you could kick-start your proposed solution? I'm surprised that you come here despite hating it so much. Perhaps you could set up this Utopia you speak of instead. I'd happily pay a sub if you can make it work.

    Save boards.ie by subscribing: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I think there's been a lot of messing around to get onto vanilla. I'd suspect the migration to xenforo is far harder than we'd imagine cause of how poorly vanilla was handled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 320 ✭✭Soc_Alt


    If people are offering solutions. Why would you hold the posters accountable for the solutions.

    Isnt that exactly what you expect the sub money to be used for?

    I still have no idea what anyone who is paying are expecting and sounds like the people who subbed are in denial.

    I'm really surprised that there are members on here so gullible watching management rearrange the deck chairs on the titanic that they are offering money to take a seat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,088 ✭✭✭✭con747


    I'm personally expecting nothing and i'm certainly not in denial. I paid up for what the site has given me over the years which I feel is a drop in the ocean for all the help and advice and bargains I received here. If it goes under so be it, I expect nothing in return apart from hopefully helping it stay alive a little longer. If others don't want that well that's their choice.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Help Keep Boards.ie Alive sign up here

    https://subscriptions.boards.ie/ Keep Boards Subscribed To.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    If you don't believe Google is messing around with search, how do you explain a site like Ars Technica running an article like this about research showing that click-through rates on search results (which drive traffic and in turn are relevant for advertising rates) have dropped by almost half since Google introduced the AI Overview feature? Ad-funded web publishing has been a struggle for years now and got significantly worse in the last year or so generally - boards isn't unique in being affected by this. You either not knowing or not believing this makes it hard to take the rest of your post seriously.

    I also like your casual assumption that 160GB is going to be enough capacity for the DB that needs to contain almost 3 decades worth of posts if it's to be a useful replacement. Ditto the assumption that the move to Vanilla did away with all the heavy customisation that the previous vBulletin version of boards had (such that standard migration scripts can easily be used), and the assumption that the native tooling in any of the other platforms will be close to drop-in replacements for the mod tooling that was lost in the move to Vanilla.

    Greenfielding a brand new forum (or any db-backed application) is a way easier task than an in-situ brownfield replacement, and there's a fair bit of armchair "I could do that for a tenner" stuff flying around this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    I should be above this (or should I ?) but it is starting to be amusing reading some of the more desperate posts. As if boards closing is some sort of weird validation for them. The adverts driving them mad is particularly sumptuous so good call on that. The advert asking if people want to do a narcissistic test is particularly funny.

    If boards is gonna go, I’d be inclined to read their posts as if it were a child whining to a parent for taking their favorite toy away and they are pretending they don’t want it. I feel like I’m getting my monies worth with them desperately trying to tell us all how much they won’t miss boards by posting on boards and galvanising a bunch of disgruntled like minded tortured souls to follow their lead.

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    How long before another “this is why boards won’t survive”’post ? Oh yes, please do educate us on why boards is dieing as only you can see the truth. A part of the issue certainly isn’t the emotionally stunted adult children who effectively spoil everything for everyone and are completely oblivious to it because most people avoid them.



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    Hi there,

    The ad campaign has been updated. A great way to stop seeing the newly created ad spaces is to subscribe to Boards.ie and go ad free.

    Happy posting, Mike.

    ⭐️ Keep Boards Alive ⭐️ *Live information on campaign here*



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    Subscribe to Boards.ie and go "Ads free" today..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,899 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    You'll never guess what happened when I clicked 'thanks' on this post



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,120 ✭✭✭✭muffler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,399 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    I tried to do the decent thing and turn off my DNS ad block but the bouncing on my phone (chrome on android) is way worse with the ads, so fupp that.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3, API Token user Posts: 206 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Odhran
    Boards.ie Employee


    Its hosted there via Vanilla and it does a bit of jiggery around urls and various other things :( but thanks… Ill take a look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭mk7r


    This is on a par with the decision to move to vanilla, absolutely tone deaf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Would Cloudflare now blocking AI bots by default be a factor in the current situation?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,285 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    More carrot, less stick Mike.

    Your reply is like "The beatings will continue until morale improves".

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Cool. So the plan is to have a site that has a terrible experience for non-subscribers. What's the plan then for attracting new users?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Sorry but boards are a bunch of clowns if that is the strategy. Why subscribe to an unusable site which will have a handful of users? Just close the thing now and be done with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭jj880


    Yet another poster who has a banner underneath begging posters to "save boards" happy to denigrate other posters outlining the issues and why they won't subscribe.

    Well I'm obviously in this group of "beggars" you're referring to.

    What happened to accepting 1 x get out of jail free card with every annual sub? Now it seems a total overhaul of moderation / new mod team is whats being asked for. It's getting ridiculous.

    >>> BOARDS IS IN TROUBLE - SUBSCRIPTIONS NEEDED <<<

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Except you're not paying the site or the history. You're paying the current owner who currently has no plan other than charge money or else.

    Subscriptions isn't a bad idea. But doing that only and leaving the site carry on as is while making the non-subscriber version so bad that nobody new will ever join again will do nothing to help. Other than get that last bit of money in before the site is sold, handed over to somebody else or closed.

    If @Boards.ie: Odhran had come along with a plea for help, had outlined and listened to plans for the site itself and improvements/changes (I don't mean moderation issues, I don't have any issues with mods here at all) and actually engaged, then I'd be hopeful. But instead he came in, added a doomsday timer and is trying to get money with no plan. I don't think it's unfair to be worried about that and to call it out.

    I'll give a simple example of a non-forum. A sports site I used frequently opened up a subscription portal. Initially it was just to remove ads, the rest of the site was unaffected. I didn't mind the ads so I didn't subscribe. The experience was the same for me, I was happy. Then they added podcasts that were member only. I still didn't subscribe, I still had their free podcasts and, as I said, the site was still usable. And then they gave a free trial period which I took. Really enjoyed the podcasts I wasn't getting so I paid up and have been for 2 years now. The lesson there? Keep the site usable for non-subscribers, and then incentivise paying for more. Not just break the site unless you subscribe.



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