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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    They are well known for manufacturing circumstances which they then cry the victim. It is how they operate



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    It's possible for Hamas to be faking it in some parts of Gaza while actually causing starvation in other parts of Gaza by withholding food.

    Bild has exposed the "deliberate staging of Hamas propaganda by photographers in Gaza".

    The English translation of the article was shared by the blue-tick X account "Voice from the East" (@EasternVoices) yesterday. Here is a summary:

    Anas Zayed Fteiha is, on paper, a reporter - he works for Anadolu. In reality, he's an Islamic propagandist with a camera, as can be seen in his social media posts, e.g. "Free Palestine", "F—- Israel".

    The photos that show the full picture (e.g. adult men collecting actual food) vanish into obscurity. Instead, the "emotional shockers" end up in outlets like Stern, BBC, CNN etc - and even in Bild itself. It's not a coincidence.

    Sueddeutsche Zeitung confirms what experts have long said - no camera operates in Gaza without Hamas control. Historian Gerhard Paul said that any photographer who is based in southern Gaza and doesn't produce what Hamas wants is out of a job. Historical parallels are drawn: in 2002, Arafat appeared in his Ramallah "fortress" as a tragic hero by candlelight with the cameras on, spotlights off and pure emotion. Minutes later, he was back under bright lights. Same trick, different setting.

    Disturbingly, major news agencies and media outlets buy these images without asking who's behind them. Reuters said its photos meet "standards of accuracy and independence" but, in a place where Hamas monitors every pixel, true independence is impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    You have to understand that this is how they have operated since the countries creation in 1948, they lie and create false narratives. They managed to convince a large part of the world that European Jews had the right to massacre and displace millions of native Palestinians from their land based on a 2000 year old book of fables. When your one of the most successful demographics in the world in terms of wealth, education and political power yet convince yourself that your always the victim, it leads to what your seeing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    1.If Hamas controls all the camera's in Gaza, who took the photo of the photographer staging the photo?

    2. If Israel is so sure there is no famine in Gaza surely they would allow in the international press to confirm this

    3. You would need a twin to be a half wit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Strong words by the former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett. Maybe he should do a world tour and see what people think of the Apartheid state.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    no camera operates in Gaza without Hamas control

    Stop pretending to care about truth you absolute felonious mope, that has ignored it so far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,701 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They seem to be all over the place though. The narrative last week was that the UN and Hamas were causing extreme food shortages in Gaza - they've switched to a story now that there are no actual food shortages and images of starving children are 'faked' by Hamas propagandists and sympathisers. This is bonkers stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Typical pro-genocide manure from you, how do you live with yourself?

    Just completely ignore all the people who are starving to death and focus on the complete non sequitur that the photographer framed the picture he was trying to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭purplesnack




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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Presumably, a member of - or sympathiser with - Hamas took a photo of the photographer.

    As for why Israel isn't letting journalists go into Gaza without supervision, the answer is: "I can risk my own life" doesn't apply when the punishment for negative reporting on Hamas is a bullet to the head.

    Mr Edelman goes into detail on that issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Could you provide a source that doesn't come from Tweets from an Olympic bobsledder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Indeed, it would be like interviewing children and asking them have they been abused by Jimmy Saville, while being accompanied by Jimmy Saville.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Guy calling himself 'Political Analyst' quotes random fucks on Twitter replying to Piers Morgan snippets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    This is someone who posted a random Twitter video clip of someone eating food as proof that there's no famine in Palestine

    You'd think they might have taken some time to reflect on the nonsense they post while they were recently banned but it's just more of the same shite 🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Last week there was no starvation according to you, Political Analyst ,now its all staged

    So therefore we can assume the image of the hostage starving was faked by Hamas too. Even Trump, Bibi's biggest supporter, accepts there are civilians starving.

    You claim Israel isn't letting journalist in because they are concerned for their welfare. An absurd lie when we consider how many they have killed. Of course you'll say they were all Hamas or it was mistakes. Anything but admit the truth about your precious IDF heroes. You will keep telling porkies in defense of Israel but they will be debunked every time you post.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Adam Jeremy 'AJ' Edelman is an American-born Israeli athlete - so he's not random.

    Furthermore, the X account 'Imshin' has video that is time-stamped (i.e. verified) of what life is actually like on the ground in Gaza. If there was famine in Gaza then do you really think that anyone would be eating red velvet cake and drinking tea in a luxurious café there?

    That is as clear as anyone outside Gaza can get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I really feel sorry for you.

    I don't know what it is that drives you to post what you post - a genuine support for Israel, a hatred of Palestinians, something broken within? Perhaps all of them.

    You're on the wrong side of history but you probably don't know it.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    It's impossible to convincingly fake an image of a hostage in Gaza. If it was AI-generated, Israeli intelligence would've recognised it as being so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,701 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    All of the talk of Pallywood and the images of starving children being faked is being retweeted by far right, racist and Islamophobic accounts in the West. Nobody who isn't a racist or bigot is buying this 'There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza' nonsense. It's an established fact that 2.2m people have been displaced and very little food or aid has entered the strip in the last few months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Might be worth your while taking the 3 minutes to watch this. Nothing fake about it.

    Warning disturbing video not graphic just soul destroying. A 12 year old girl trying to keep their siblings alive through this after her brother was slaughtered by the IDF.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/05/world/video/young-girl-searches-for-food-gaza-digvid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    His post last week when he mocked Palestinians and Arabs as being inbred and therefore predisposed to medical conditions that would make them look emaciated revealed a lot about his mindset and goes a long way towards answering your question. Also in a previous reply to me he offered digust at Islamic Jihad using ambulances as cover but when he discovered Israeli special forces also have used ambulances and impersonated medical staff, operation minimise was put into effect: they were isolated incidents and no one authorised them. We can conclude from this that he isn't a very principled individual- if the Islamists do something it's terrible and to be condemned, but if Israel does the exact same thing an excuse must be found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,685 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I hope he does the decent thing and finish himself off just like the other infamous Genocider, Hitler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,685 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Didn't we have similar here. Posters asking how the mothers didn't look starved like their children. What a detestable thing to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,685 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Its like someone coming out and suggesting that prisoners in the German Concentration Camps were just dieting. Unbelievable what they are posting. Anything but admit what is so obviously happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I see the video is from Khan Younis.

    Do you think this is the fancy restaurant serving red velvet cake?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,701 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Problem for them with this is that their audience are nearly exclusively Zionists. Tell any normal person that the images they are watching on their news bulletins every evening from Gaza are 'faked' and they would just roll their eyes to heaven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I was trying to post a picture of the devastation in Khan Younis as of today but failed - and I can't edit the post. Apologies. Of course, I'm sure @political analyst would maintain the images are faked.

    In the meantime, here's some straplines from Haaretz. The opinion pieces, as usual, says it as it is. What I did find interesting is the part of the quote I bolded in the last opinion piece - what is this "problems overseas bit? IDF soldiers on their Hollybobs being arrested for War Crimes perhaps?

    • Israeli settlers attacked a Gaza-bound aid convoy of 30 trucks in the West Bank for the second time this week, a Jordanian government spokesperson told Reuters, adding that this was a violation of signed agreements which "requires a serious Israeli intervention and no leniency."
    • A rare neurological disease, Guillain-Barre syndrome, is spreading in Gaza, especially among children, due to poor nutrition and polluted water, Gaza's Health Ministry said. Ninety-five cases were reported in the past day, up from about one per year. (Note: Guillain–Barré syndrome (GBS) is a rapid-onset muscle weakness caused by the immune system damaging the peripheral nervous system)
    • Israeli Air Force Commander Tomer Bar accused the IDF's Southern Command chief of conducting the offensive in Gaza with "a lack of professionalism" that is causing harm to innocent civilians at a meeting of the General Staff Forum last Thursday, the Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reported.
    • A vast majority of Israeli Jews – 79 percent – are "not so troubled" or "not troubled at all" by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza, according to a poll conducted by Viterbi Family Center for Public Opinion and Policy Research at the Israel Democracy Institute at the end of July.

    "Netanyahu has failed dismally in trying to achieve his goal of obtaining another partial hostage deal which includes the release of 10 hostages, in exchange for a time-defined cease-fire which includes the option of renewing combat in Gaza. What's happening now – threatening messages and promises of conquering the entirety of Gaza – is a desperate attempt to bring Hamas back to the negotiating table, served with a heaping dose of frustration" – Ravit Hecht

    "IDF Chief of Staff Zamir has been voicing his opposition to fully occupying Gaza for over a month. Aside from his concerns for the lives of hostages and soldiers and his warning of new problems overseas, he has made another important and concrete argument – the IDF is facing a serious problem of burnout among combat troops. At a time when the number of reservists showing up for duty has fallen steeply, as has conscript soldiers' motivation, the army could struggle finding the troops needed for a full occupation" – Amos Harel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Remember just the other day when Israel demanded vociferously that the Red Cross have access to Israeli hostages (which I agree that they should)?

    The State of Israel asked the High Court of Justice for the twentieth postponement of its response to a February 2024 petition demanding that Red Cross visits be allowed for Palestinian prisoners held in Israel and that information about them be disclosed. The state has declined to disclose the reasons for the delay, claiming that a further 30-day continuance is needed "at the political echelon's request, based on professional considerations related to national security



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,685 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They are so afraid of the truth getting out. Pariah state indeed.



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