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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why would I bother when an existing one may come on the market any day now? Ever set up a business? Far easier to buy an existing one, especially if you're buying it out of adminsitration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Maybe you could be able to buy out a ban? For the cost of an annual subscription, you get your account restored.

    Or if you want instant access to post in CA you need a sub?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    With paid subscriptions boards has paying customers now so that completely changes the dynamic of the site. The moderators who are saying they won't change their behaviour (it's the same ones who have done the most damage to the site that are the most resistant to change ironically enough) are basically saying they are going to ignore the market the site needs to survive and continue on as is.

    Not a good plan when the site is begging posters to subscribe.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    I admire your enthusiasm but I suspect when your tech guy really digs into it he will find it's a lot more time intensive than a few extra hours on top of his day-to-day job, at least to get things set up and transferred on to new software.

    One thing not to forget to factor in is cost of insurance - insuring the company against potential defamation on a site that is not pre-moderated is not going to be inexpensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭2Shae


    Move from Vanilla to xenforo or some other actually sane (non-cloud) board software and id consider it



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You could be right, at this moment in time, I don't know enough to say either way.

    There are ways around the potential defamation thing - offshoring, trusts, etc. I wouldn't suggest that site has no mods, I would merely suggest that the moderation is done in a way that stops individual mods enforcing their views on threads - I have an idea on how this could be achieved too.

    I have got involved in a number of businesses and projects in the past that people said were impossible. Some turned out to be (at least for me) but many weren't. I'm good at what I do. Or at least I'm good at getting people who are good at what they do to do what they're good at…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,749 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Aren't companies supposed to create a decent service first and then ask people to pay for it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,021 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    The moderators who are saying they won't change their behaviour (it's the same ones who have done the most damage that are the most resistant to change ironically enough)

    I couldn't agree anymore with you

    The 2 biggest issues on this forum for me is Vanilla and moderators

    It looks they're not willing to do anything with Vanilla so that leaves moderators which you would expect should be an easier fix but the same mods are here causing so many issues. It really should be a completely refresh of moderators, start a new

    I think it makes sense you're a subscriber surely you want a bit more of a say on the forum and a good start would be a say moderators



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭corkie


    You can look at your comments, if you know your profile name?

    https://www.boards.ie/profile/comments/Fr%20Tod%20Umptious

    Otherwise a careful crafted google query should also show what you talked about?

    "site:www.boards.ie <profile> <keywords>"

    @NattyO It has already been raised on thread about hosting on a basement server and traffic requirements while your thoughtful cheap hosting options won't fly for a site like boards. Your just rehashing earlier conversations on it!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    One of the ways the site could raise funds towards self-sufficiency could be a paid level as well as a free one - perhaps with the number of posts limited on the free plan or similar, and some threads accessible either as a paid access or through watching ads etc, like Youtube or Spotify.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OK, like I said, I'm no expert (putting it mildly) so a lot of what I'm thinking may well be pie in the sky. May well be some potential workarounds though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭jj880


    Well the reason I said think about it is others would probably get upset with troublesome posters paying for unbannings and it could end up a false economy overall.

    On the other hand it is desperate times.

    @Kermit.de.frog would you be happy with a 1 time unbanning IF you pay a full years sub up front? If you get banned again a month later thats on you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,490 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Yes, mods are volunteers with livelihoods etc - but that doesn't appear relevant to me in terms of the question I'm asking?

    The question is whether it's feasible that there could be a change in policy towards paid subscribers.

    I, initially, shared the same opinion as you: there were subs in the past and everyone got treated equally, so what's the difference now? But there is a difference now.

    Back then the site was booming. Money from subs was just a bit of extra revenue, cherry on top stuff. People didn't need special treatment: if they didn't like it they could lump it, there were plenty of other users and other revenue streams. Pity about ya if you didn't like it.

    Nowadays we're being told if the subs can't be reached in short order, then it's all over. Subs are the last throw of the dice. That's not the same as before. And after a month they're still well short of the target, seems to me that they could do with all the lads kicking in a fiver a month that they can get.

    You don't think a sudden and unilateral policy change could happen if things get desperate - or even more desperate - than they currently are?

    I wouldn't be so sure. After all, one happened pretty fcking quickly three weeks ago and caught everyone on the hop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭mk7r


    Is anyone else getting full screen ads that you have to close whenever you change or reload the page?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    If the site genuinely is closing in 89 days I think they should unban everyone.

    If it’s going down let it go down in complete flames. It’s be more entertaining that this.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    What would be the suggestion here though? That paid subscribers get preferential treatment? Or that we abandon moderation altogether?

    Upcoming gigs and events: The Pillowman, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Foil Arms and Hog, Nova Twins, Tanita Tikaram, David Byrne



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The immigration thread is a microcosm of all that is wrong with Boards, and why it finds itself in its present predicament.
    Two weeks ago, during the lull in biased modding, it was booming, one of the busiest threads on the site, with lots of discussion back and forth. As far as I know, nobody died from hurt feelings during this time, nor was anyone sued. Cue, Necro comes back and bans almost everyone who disagreed with one particular poster. Now the thread consists almost entirely of that poster posting streams of unchecked rubbish, abuse, and lies. Now the thread is effectively dead, with 3 or 4 posters bravely soldering on. What has this achieved, other than making one mod and one poster feel good about themselves? Has it helped discussion? Has it helped site traffic? Has it helped subs? Madness. It shows how weak and ineffective the ownership/management is, that they allow personal connections between mods and posters to actively damage the site. This is just one thread, but it is happening all over the site, and is the very reason why the site is dying. If this were my site, I could not just sit by, begging bowl out, while these people destroyed it before my eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    That's exactly what I've been trying to say. I'm not looking for "special treatment".

    My point is why would any poster subscribe in the first place if they are banned from a forum? They won't.

    I agree with @Loughc . What is even the point now of being precious about it? May as well role the dice imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,490 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I don't know the answer to those questions.

    Personally, I'm not looking for special treatment, nor expecting it, or arguing for it.

    I completely accept that paying for a sub doesn't give me carte blanche to say whatever I want, anymore than it does for anybody else here: subscription or otherwise.

    But some people don't even accept that as it is: I don't think that sense of entitlement is going to dissipate in those situations, especially if they hand over cash to the site. There's already been chatter about it in this thread.

    AnCD seems to be arguing that changes like this won't happen because it's not a new thing to have had subs for the site. But the only thing in common there is subscriptions: the surrounding context is totally different. I think there can be a refusal to acknowledge that things can happen - until they happen.

    I'm not saying that I'm in favour of subs being treated differently - I'm not - and I don't know how it could happen in practice, but, if we truly are in the end times and desperate times call for desperate measures then don't be shocked if the unexpected actually happens.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Got you Arghus, thank you.

    I'd be honest that I would be disappointed if something like this would happen - and it would be a good excuse for me to officially bow out of the moderator role, if not the whole site...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭jj880


    Fair enough. Anyone banned now gets that ban lifted with a 1 year sub. Perhaps to avoid uproar everyone else who buys a year sub gets 1 x get out of jail free card. And on it goes after that i.e. an annual sub comes with 1 ban reversal to be used as a boards subscriber chooses.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    I have a cunning plan! Lets ban non subscribers so they have to subscribe ;-)

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If that were the case, with current moderation, all it would achieve is to give the worst of the mods the pleasure of charging the posters they disagree with to ban them. I know for a fact that if I paid a one year sub right now and was allowed back in, Necro would ban me within days for some imagined infraction. The problem isn't getting bans lifted, the problem is that moderation is not moderation, it is censorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭jj880


    Okey dokey you tell me what the middle ground is then?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭dabbler2004




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Can the small noisy minority who constantly moan about moderation go form their own forum? I wouldn't post on it but it would be entertaining to check in on every now and then.

    Meanwhile everyone else can continue posting in peace on another forum (hopefully this one)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    They have. It's called gubu and it's even quieter than here



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Only illegal content (threats, slander etc) or sustained personal abuse should result in a ban.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You’ll have plenty of peace on here shortly.



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