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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Good question.

    I'm closing it for two reasons - firstly, I think the site is going to disappear without warning when the owner/s realise they are not going to raise the money they hoped for, and then who knows where our data will end up? It sounds to me, from the amount of money they are trying to raise (given how little it would actually cost to keep the site going) that there is a desperation for funds outside of what the site needs - this may mean that the site, and all it contains, will be available to the highest bidder once the site folds. I have considered potentially buying the site myself, I have an idea or two on how it could be self-sufficient, and I think it will go for small money once they run out of funds. Secondly, I have been permanently banned from the forum I most frequently posted in on here, so not much point staying. There was a glorious week there where the site was modded relatively fairly, but, as I suspected, it couldn't last. Too many egos, and too many mods who's entire lives are this site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,977 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Aside from inconsistent and sporadic posting on this site what have you done to get subscribers?

    The call could easily go out on national radio (free of charge as many people have posted or heard of boards of the last 25 years)

    It could be classed as a story of national interest,could be pitched to newspapers,tv,radio as an example of the changing face of the Internet,could be done as a nostalgia piece,could throw in a few funny story's etc.At the end of any of these pieces could be the call to subscribe.

    Has any of this happened or did you just throw up a post on your own dying website and hope for the best?

    The above is a perfect example of why I don't think I'll be subscribing at this time.

    The disastrous move to Vanilla,the very one sided bias in relation to modding,the leadership of the site in general have been a shambles.

    I will miss Boards more than I realise,I'd love to see a positive campaign gaining a bit of momentum (whilst simultaneously demonstrating some smarts in the owners) I'd happily subscribe in a case like that.

    The damp squib,half arsed,sticky post begging bowl was in fact the last straw for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    As it stands I won't be subscribing and, yes, obviously you're not going to subscribe if you think you've been treated badly by moderators and/or banned from any forum.

    That should go without saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,258 ✭✭✭✭klose


    yikes, them pop up ads…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And you haven't really haven't put anything quantitative on how many potential subscribers have been lost out on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭jj880


    Banned posters on here like theyve just won The Golden Cleric.

    Imagine if moderation rules are changed or special treatment is given because you pay a sub. Really give it some thought for a minute.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,951 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Not necessary. We've had paid subscribers before and there was no special treatment.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine if posters didn't get banned because a mod held a different opinion. Nobody might be on this thread at all, because the site owners may not have had to go begging for money to save a dying site. Give it some thought for a minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You have a banner on your profile telling us how Boards is in trouble.

    Yet you want to re-enforce the very reasons why so many, like me, will not sign up.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    According to those who know, a hell of a lot less than €120k a year.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,491 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Maybe I'm reading KDF's post wrong, but they appear to be saying that a forum ban stops them from subscribing - not a site ban, which some people some to have interpreted that question as being about.

    I haven't a clue if the ban is deserved/undeserved, a technical glitch in this case - but I think the question itself is legitimate. Is there a block on acquiring a sub if you have an individual forum ban? A person could be banned somewhere on the site, but still want to support the site in general. Bit of an unfortunate glitch if you are trying to get as many subs as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭user060916


    What the hell has happened to boards with the new ads?

    Infuriating and makes boards unusable.

    Had held off subscribing mainly because I was on holiday but these ads have just pissed me off there's no chance I'll subscribe now



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,951 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As far as I can see, you're referencing a tiny amount of people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Even though if you subscribe those ads go away?

    Seems counter productive. I don’t like the new ads so I won’t be going ad free now.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What are you asking me for? Ask the owners who are looking for money. I would hire people who know what they're doing to quantify these things, not my area of expertise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭user060916


    Yes, because of its unusable without subscribing, less and less people will use boards, so I'll be paying for a much worse service.

    It's a forum, you need people to use it and then hopefully convert to subscribers. This is making sure it won't happen



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Sorry I’m asking you as you stated

    “(given how little it would actually cost to keep the site going)”

    I’m genuinely interested in knowing how little. A few of us would be interested in taking over the cost if it is that little and give it back to the community.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,590 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Not sure if I understand your point, Arghus.

    My interpretation of Kermit's post is because they are banned from a forum that they are interested in, they don't want to subscribe. Nothing to do with the system not allowing it.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Like I said, not my area of expertise, but a quick ask of those who know more than me puts a figure of less than €20k a year on it. If the site does go wallop (which seems highly likely at this moment in time) and I consider buying it, I would quantify that clearly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,350 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Unquantifiable until/unless they tell us how much they are paying Vanilla every year - they don't advertise their hosted costs so could be a 1k to 5k+ a month. You could get an OVH server for 100 euro a month pretty well specced out but you would need to know the full details of storage, etc required by boards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,491 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    That's true that were paid subscribers before, but that was for additional income for the site. The site didn't rely on them to survive. It's not the same IMO.

    I think there's a difference in the relationship if paid subscribers are needed to keep the site afloat.

    This is a hypothetical, but let's say 10% of the subscriber base is narked off at moderation and they don't renew as a result - what if that 10% is the difference between surviving another year or not.

    And you can rest assured that 10% will be extremely vocal about their displeasure - and, based on recent evidence, if you complain loudly enough, often enough, you may just get what you want in the end.

    You can't possibly envision a scenario where more leeway or whatever is given to people in certain circumstances with that in mind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,491 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    You may well be right. I guess only one man - or frog - can clear it up for sure.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,951 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The thing is that the mods are volunteers. We don't lose our livelihoods if and when Boards goes the way of all things. We each have our own forum or fora to mod and some lad kicking a fiver or whatever to the site every month doesn't affect that.

    Even if mods did start pandering, there'd be another group that would cancel their subscriptions and get vocal. There's no pleasing everyone. Some people will pony up, some won't.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know nothing of these things, I'm a numbers guy not a techie, so take this with a pinch of salt (you sound like you know what you're talking about unlike me) but a quick convo with one of my staff who does know these things reckoned that he could reverse the site out of Vanilla (I'm paraphrasing here so am almost certainly not describing this well - I have no idea what Vanilla is outside of a flavour!) and put it back into some forum software, host it locally, and do everything else required to get it back running properly at a cost for the first year, including his time (I already have him on payroll) of less than €20k. He said it would probably cost much less (for hosting, maintenance etc.) in subsequent years.
    If those costs are correct (and he's going to look further at it - this was a quick conversation I surprised him with), I believe I could have the site self sufficient at the very least. So if it does go bang, and the numbers work, I'll put in a bid for what's left.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    You are going to "hire people who know what they're doing" (to quote your earlier post) plus cover the running costs of a site the size of Boards for less than €20k per annum? Come on now.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I already have a staff of people who know what they're doing. For this project, the only additional costs to me would be a few extra hours to a tech guy, and some time for marketing, sales etc. and then the hosting and software costs (which I'm told are low). I already have these people working on other projects, it wouldn't be a new business, just a side project. It sounds from what was posted at the start of this thread that the person or people currently running it (badly) are on a fulltime salary - this site, certainly in its current from, can't support that. It's a hobby, not a business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Sure why don't you start your own one then if it's as simple as you are making it out to be?

    That way you can mod it whatever way you want.



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