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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    It’s been incredible to see just how desperate the Israeli denial propaganda has become.

    “We are not starving healthy children, we are starving disabled children” is not the win they think it is.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,196 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Israel isn’t against aid going in to Gaza at all, but they are really against the possibility that Hamas could benefit from that aid in any way, shape or form. I don’t know enough to say whether the stories about Hamas misusing aid in the past are true, but the Israeli government believes that they did that, and they are the ones who have to be convinced that any new aid won’t go to Hamas. What we think here is of no interest to them.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Yes, it's clearly a better option to starve the population just in case Hamas might get some of it. Did you actually think any of this through before clicking Post Comment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,701 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Numerous agencies have said there was very little evidence that Hamas were seizing the aid or reselling it on the black market. Before the regime restarted its war in mid-March, people in Gaza were actually being fed by the UN and malnutrition rates dropped hugely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    The more I think about this post the more annoyed I am about it. Have you actually looked at what's going with aid, or lack thereof, getting into Gaza? Have you not seen anything about starving people being murdered while lining up for food after trekking for 12 kilometers in some cases? What's more likely, 'but Hamas' or Israel deliberately starving the Palestinians so either they'll leave or else just die? Hint: this is why people are using terms like Genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, crimes against humanity etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,728 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    One of the biggest supporters of Israel and denier of the genocide in the UK is Tommy Robinson

    What is it about the far right, both on this forum and elsewhere, that they feel they have to lean into and support Israel's criminality so vehemently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Is starvation of a population ever legitimate in order to stop your enemy combatants from eating? That's a weird goalpost that was shifted in Israel's favour, even though it is a clear and obvious war crime. Israel supporters actually seem to think it's ok to prevent a country from eating if it is militarily successful.

    Like everything else Israel does, it goes back to the Nazis. Hitler's U-Boats were used to try and starve Britain by attacking shipments from America, and the siege of Leningrad also starved people. It's rather amazing that they are building a concentration camp that would make Hitler blush, but with the support of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    It's 99% about Muslims. They wail about antisemitism while not giving a toss about Jews. It's driven entirely by Islamophobia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Israel funds parts of the European far right because they see them as a means to vilify and dehumanise Muslims as a common enemy.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The IDF confirmed this week, after a thorough investigation, that there was no systemic theft of aid by Hamas. Israel knows that but they will deceive you with their Hasbara.

    Israel withheld all aid going into Gaza from the minute they reneged on the ceasefire in March for a total of 11 weeks. On the resumption of aid given by the GHF, there were initially only 3 distribution centres in the whole of Gaza, increased to 4 a while later.

    And as we know, not only did Gazans (or those who could) have to walk miles and miles to get to the centres, they then had to take a chance of being executed by the IDF.

    Israel has been against aid going into Gaza since day one. They are only allowing it now, begrudgingly, because they are being forced to.

    Israel's starvation policy is deliberate. It is Genocide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,701 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    One of the main reason the 'Hamas are stealing all the food' idea is utter nonsense is the sheer volumes involved. A small militia or militant group busy fighting the IDF would be in a position to steal enough food for 2 million people…….really? That would mean them hijacking hundreds of aid trucks a day and being able to store these hundreds of trucks somewhere in the completely flattened Gaza and without being attacked by the Israelis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Plus they're all in underground command and control centres, and hiding in incubators in maternity hospitals, so how could they all be pillaging aid convoys?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I really struggle trying to understand how people believe any reports issued by Israel.

    I really would have thought the execution of the 15 medics would have been the last straw with the IDF lying through their teeth until, oh Lordy, someone found the video footage.

    I can only assume:

    A) they do not read news from e.g. BBC, RTE or other reputable outlets

    B) they are utterly gullible and are taken in by the Hasbara

    C) they actually do know the truth but wilfully ignore it because they have no moral compass or humanity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Unfortunately totally unrealistic for Hamas to reject any peace deal unless they get an independent state with Jerusalem as the capital, it's just not going to happen at this time .I would love that to happen and people live in peace but sadly the Palestinian people will continue to be murdered while Hamas exist .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,820 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    They were being murdered long before Hamas and will be long after they're gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I know - isn't it terrible that the Israelis are forced to continue their Genocide. God love them. Must break their hearts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Very true but I think the Palestinians would be better off without Hamas and may get better international support without Hamas .Its very hard to see any lasting peace with Israel but we have to try and achieve it somehow .Israel is never going to be bombed out of existence so some peace has to happen at some stage .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    If you asked Chat GPT to come up with the worst take on the situation in Gaza it wouldn't be able match this post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭freebritney


    If you were a Hamas fighter would you surrender? Your either going to be shot out of hand as you surrender or face the prospect of life in an Israeli prison camp being sodomised and tortured. Would you believe any offer or assurances the Israeli's give you? I'm not saying they shouldn't surrender but at this stage what have they got to lose, Gaza is practically destroyed and Israel is increasing it pariah status globally by the day with it's cruelty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,820 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Hamas are a relatively small group in charge of a small area adjacent to Israel. They aren't even part of the PLO. They are, however, a convenient scape goat for Israeli oppression.

    This is the West Bank. No hamas in power here.

    https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/02/1159971



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    My answer is proberly no to your questions but Israel still commands a lot of support internationally among the major countries and I doubt that will change .What Hamas did on Oct 7 was absolutely pointless in terms of a solution in their eyes a n d it was guaranteed that Israel would react very strongly and also use it as an excuse to continue their goal of eliminating the Palestinian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    100% because it carries on in other threads too like the OTB thread. Islamophobia mainly and secondly because some work for US tech and pharma companies and are afraid of it effecting their jobs if those companies threaten action. But it is mainly because the people who are dying are Muslims in the main.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The tide is certainly turning, slowly but surely -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/0802/1526610-gaza-israel-us-analysis/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,701 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Racism was a big factor in the general lack of reaction from western governments and media for the last two years. Israelis were seen as clever, respectable, progressive and sophisticated whilst the unspoken thoughts about Arabs and Muslims was that they were a bunch of violent, sub-human savages (a not inconsiderable part of this narrative emanated from the Zionist crowd, with their 'only democracy in the Middle East' guff).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,892 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The BBC who had the son of a Hamas leader ‘fronting’ a programme???

    Steady up there old boy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    What point do you think you’re making with this kind of comment? That there’s no starvation or murder of innocent civilians, because the BBC said there is? Because if that’s not the point you’re trying to make, and I hope it’s not, then it’s a totally irrelevant comment that serves only to disrupt and deflect.

    You know Israel didn’t kill those medics and then bury them like dogs, until actual video evidence was found. You see? Two can play at that game. Except when pointing out the lies told by the Israelis, we have plenty of examples to choose from. I don’t think your comment is the “gotcha” you think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭greyday


    How do you know an Israeli is lying……..its lips are moving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Is that really the best you can do to discredit the BBC?

    I'd imagine anyone writing off the BBC for that would also be stupid enough to believe that photos of fat Palestinians holding emaciated kids was definitely staged and Netanyahu is absolutely correct that there is no starvation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,903 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Remember all the posts about how dubious the Gaza Health Ministry casualty numbers are?

    "Israeli discourse around the casualty figures [in Gaza] is poisoned, saturated with conspiracy theories and lies.

    Contrary to common perception in the Israeli public, no serious party actually disputes the numbers from Gaza's Health Ministry.

    Not only is there no competing Israeli figure, but independent checks and investigations by researchers and journalists have found that the Gaza ministry's numbers are conservative relative to the reality, as many of the dead are not even included on the official lists.

    Sky News' investigation, for instance, found that 40 people killed on the night of March 18 were not listed at all"

    Nir Hasson



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The double standards of Israeli officials disputing the number of people it killed in a genocide while disputing the number of people killed in the genocide perpetrated against them is a criminal offence with a 5 year jail term.

    I also think it is very interesting that Israel only recognises one genocide. The Holocaust. No other genocide is recognised.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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