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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Does subscribing stop the thread bouncing? I'd pay premium for that tbh...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    No but you have a much stronger case for complaining!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I've been complaining from a level playing field long before the new subscription model came in, not that it did any good...

    I think I'll wait to see if this new stripped back Vanilla is rolled out at all, if that happens it should be a sign we'll be around for a few more months at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭XT1200


    Not that complaining about it will do any good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭_BAA_RAM_EWE


    I said a few posts back I wouldn't sub but i actually would sub to get rid of certain mods!

    I was told by a mod he wasn't interested in my opinion pieces and go read the charter. Charter says that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Oooh how I loled PMing him that. He's given me 2 or 3 warnings since. Never replies to PM.

    All in favour of useless mod removal Sub perk say "Aye"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I'd say dealing with childish pms is an absolute head melt for mods.

    Save boards.ie by subscribing:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭SharpCoder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭JennyZ


    Some of the Ads coming up for me are gas. Will proably sign up, would be sad to see Boards go or become something else entirely. I guess whether it makes a difference or not time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The rule around issues being before the courts seems to be a serious issue for this site.

    Any time an incident occurs discussion is immediately shut down as if comments made on boards could be cited in an ongoing case as influencing the outcome.

    I understand boards had an issue with a concert promoter back in the early 2000's which may have influenced this but boards competitors, such as reddit Ireland or X/Twitter enforce no such rules and conversation flows as per standard house rules.

    Has there been another situation other than the one cited above where the name boards.ie has even been muttered in an Irish Court room?

    Surely a site in the type of situation boards finds itself in should be facilitating lively discussion not stifling it. Just a thought.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    There are certain cases where the judiciary announce it cant be reported on, and that’s absolutely fair enough there should be no comment here. But that’s a tiny tiny minority of cases.

    I’ve seen mods delete posts recently because they related to a case that is to come before the courts in the UK, a different jurisdiction! Utter nonsense.

    Most mods are good. But undoubtedly there are some who get off on exerting ‘power’, as if they own the site, and the cops will be out to get them if they miss deleting a post! And stifling debate to make (what they seem to think) their job is, is also a big driver of certain mods to the detriment of the owners of the site a it reduces traffic and thus revenues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You're absolutely correct, in a situation where authorities ask a case not be discussed the "before the courts" rule would be a reasonable thing to implement.

    Currently it's wheeled out as soon as something happens that would result in perhaps a heated debate on this site.

    If the rationale is that mods don't want the hassle of dealing with a busy thread then just say so. This notion that boards has to keep a lid on commentary in case a murderer gets to walk free on a technicality because of something posted on a site with ever decreasing traffic and relevance influenced the outcome is a joke.

    No other discussion platform implements this type of draconian nonsense, and it's not helping the health of a site that relies on engaging people in a meaningful manner.

    Essentially if something happens in Ireland boards.ie is NOT the place to discuss it. Is that the mission statement we should be pursuing?

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    If you can convince the owners to change the site terms of use then the policy will change. Until that happens, then what you have currently is what you will get on this site. This is not a mod driven policy this is driven by the terms of use we all agreed to upon creating an account.

    So your issue is not with moderation here, it's with the site owners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Grand.

    I'm guessing this is the place to get their attention then? That was my intent.

    Also, do you believe that the intent of that rule was for mods to close down discussions of issues before the courts in other jurisdictions? Or is that defined?

    Also this line of "I was just following orders" stuff isn't particularly convincing tbh.

    Have you or any of your cohorts ever thought to have that rule rationalised properly at any point?

    Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, you're not just dealing members anymore, a number of us are paying customers and we have a vested interest in the continuation of this site going forward, this issue seems to be doing great damage to that, perhaps something beyond a dull jobsworth type response to an issue that stops this site being relevant would be useful?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,261 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    But why implement it so ‘jobsworth’ like? What happens if you ignore something ‘against the rules’ but is meaningless in reality.

    Another example is streams on the soccer forum. If someone posts a link to a stream to a pre-season friendly a mod would instantly delete and maybe give a warning? Why not ignore? , it’s not as if MUTV are going to sue you? The chances of any provider actually issuing some formal complaint to a dying Irish discussion board is miniscule. And if they do (highly highly unlikely) the site owner apologies that a post was missed and promises to do better. Why the heck would a mod be so pedantic/jobsworth about it?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    This point was consulted on with one of the admin team whose RL role is in the legal sector. They clarified that once a case was before the courts per the terms of use it should not be discussed on the site. The site terms of use don't differentiate on jurisdiction. Maybe they should, but they don't.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Sure why implement any rules then? If it doesn't matter, why do you care if it's applied or not😂 It works both ways!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭archfi


    Was there a blanket ban on boards during the many court proceedings against Trump?

    I can't remember and don't wish to click on the thread to be honest because it's gick!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,063 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    You can call Trump what you want on Boards.ie, he is a special case.

    This week they are calling him Pedo, Child Rapist, Child Sex Pervert amongst many other things in that lovely thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,921 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    this is driven by the terms of use we all agreed to upon creating an account

    It's a relatively recent rule though, probably brought in since I opened this account 6 years ago. And it's being interpreted very broadly, more than it was a couple years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Was that admin able to determine why boards.ie should be the only discussion platform implementing that rule?

    How long ago was this decision made and was a second opinion ever sought?

    Has there ever been a situation where boards.ie has been mentioned in court (outside of the MCD situation) or has boards.ie been approached by any legal counsel asking for commentary to be removed?

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭archfi


    I think the bit about 'before the courts' in the terms of use is definitely unspecific but was unnecessarily applied (various UK cases) and a smell of bias to be honest (eg Trump's active court cases from memory)

    Note: I have no problem with an active court case being discussed especially from outside this country. I don't know the intricacies of Irish law in relation to what is and isn't allowed re-Irish cases although I have heard judges issue instructions to not report/discuss on certain cases.

    I think it needs to be looked at by the owner @Boards.ie: Odhran



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Haven't a notion to be honest. I presume it's to do with subjidice. All those questions need to be directed to the site owners!

    Edit: sorry I only noticed the second question in the barrage you fired at me there. As below we sought the advice regarding the Kneecap thread. No a second opinion was not sought, why would it be.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    It was actually the Kneecap thread that we sought the advice on and what we were told was what I said previously.

    And I've personally no problem with any policy changes that the owners want to apply, but it's definitely one for the top brass to make a decision on and either update the terms or give clear direction going forward, because at the moment that's the advice we have been provided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,058 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I honestly wouldn't have thought that seeking a second opinion would be such an objectionable idea.

    Surely over the years when boards was the only platform enforcing such a rule whilst others took traffic away from boards by disregarding that idea,, someone would have stopped and thought "do we really need to be enforcing this rule when no one else is?"

    There are plenty of issues like this where one person could state that it's better to be safe than sorry, going for a belt and braces solution, but boards competitors are surviving just fine without locking down every discussion of something that may happen to be in the courts.

    It is also notable that it isn't evenly implemented either.

    Trump is on trial in New York? Totally fine to discuss it and call him an orange prick.

    Mcgregor is being hauled over the coals for being a horrible scumbag? Let's talk about it.

    A man attacks a Garda shouting a religious slogan associated with terrorism? Before the courts, no discussion.

    It seems that this law is an ass.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,799 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Not being allowed to discuss an ongoing case in case of a (very slim but still potential) chance of negatively affecting the outcome seems fair enough to me personally! I'd sooner wait and discuss it once a verdict is rendered rather than risk that. Even if it is a teeny tiny chance. But hey that's just my own thoughts!

    In terms of your examples, the McGregor thread was closed during the civil case and subsequent appeal. At least in CA it was. Not sure where you're getting the idea it wasn't treated the same.

    Wasn't around for the Trump stuff, no idea what went on. From a brief Google of the dates it looks like he was convicted in May 2024, I only started modding CA again around October/November of last year.

    And no, generally I don't bother getting a second opinion about long established site terms of use when an admin provides the guidance required, I'm not sure why anyone would personally!

    Anyways, I'm bowing out now you've been given your answer as to why mods implement this policy and a potential solution, which I urge you to explore as it seems to be frustrating you.

    To reiterate I'm quite happy to adjust the policy if the site terms of use are updated or we are provided with clear direction from the site owners. Unless one of those things are done though it's not going to change!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    but boards competitors are surviving just fine without locking down every discussion of something that may happen to be in the courts.

    I can't highlight part of a post because Vanilla 🙄.

    The thing is, Boards doesn't really have competitors. Boards is unique.

    I've no problem with Boards closing a thread temporarily in order to avoid future problems. RTE do it. TV3 do it. TG4 do it. The national print media do it. Almost everything gets opened again as soon as the go-ahead is given by the courts/authorities. The Enoch Burke thread is a typical example of this. It's been closed and opened numerous times over the years but everything gets up to date fairly quickly each time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Banning talk of cases before the courts makes as little sense as a country making it illegal to talk about it in person. It was always a stupid rule and boards.ie is the only place on the entire internet that has that rule. Not even newspapers follow it. No one does.

    Save boards.ie by subscribing:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058419316/the-boards-ie-subscription



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Newspapers report the facts they have and will follow judges orders if elements are to be restricted. If you had open season here on ongoing court cases you could easily see names being mentioned that shouldn't be, opinions being given as fact that aren't, stuff like that.

    I do think as we're an Irish site this should mainly apply to irish cases, but as has been stated already, this is a decision for owners, not mods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,218 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    This reads a bit like the fella caught speeding who says to the guard I pay your wages...

    Except the mods here aren't paid



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,862 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Also, journalists reporting on cases may have attending court or talked to people involved; so they've a much better view of the case; and have an editorial team and legal team behind them.

    Here, you've billy from donaghmede swearing he knows what really happened because his neighbour saw it.



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