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Ryan Tubridy ; Has he paid back the Irish Tax Payer ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,966 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    No, the 120k was a payment due on the completion of his contract. It wasn’t some barter account swivel by RTÉ.

    It came to light after the Grant Thornton audit, the one that cleared Ryan of any wrongdoing and laid the fault, squarely, with RTÉ.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You were asked if Joe Duffy engaged in any of the same conduct... you had no answer.

    Apparently someone can only be criticised if they are a God now. Self discrediting incoherent drivel.

    Then I linked an article from a major national newspaper. You have no answer and you know so instead you ignore it and instead try to have a go at this platform instead.

    Completely lacking in the self awareness that if its so irrelevent, why would you be posting here.

    Didnt take long for you to make a complete show of your own post did it?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So when Tubridy was in front of PAC and the nation, he was unaware that was a feature of his contract?

    Can you find me the line in the Grant Thornton report which establishes that?

    Because otherwise you are just reinforcing the point, it was another contrivance and connivance between Tubridy and RTE to under represent his earnings and establishes he is willing to lie to the Oireachtas and the public to feather his own nest.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,160 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    To me it’s irrelevant whether Tubs pays his bill - he has been “striked through” and “blacklisted” for life.

    HOWEVER the over 50s female luvvies who are his last remaining demographic DO care - so if he desires a “second bite” at the “Montrose golden Apple” he better pay back what he owes, with interest….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    This really a pathetic response and sums up how weak your actual argument is.

    Just to clear Joe Duffy very much did the same thing as Tubridy, so did Pat Kenny, so did Gay Byrne. I can keep going if you want. Pick practically any high profile presenter at RTE over the last half century plus. They all negotiated completely inflated salaries due to a weak RTE management. If Tubridy screwed over his colleagues the aforementioned people are way way ahead of him in that race.

    For a long time there was no legal competition on radio, and no competition on TV until the late nineties with TV3, within Ireland anyway. It's only been in the last decade or so with the rise of podcasts and YouTube channels that RTE has faced proper home grown competition. And ironically RTE started cutting salaries during this period. That tells it's own story about how high profile presenters screwed over the public some of whom people deify and talk as presidential material.

    Good night and best of luck with your crusade. It will make f all difference but if it makes you feel good all power to you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    First you had a go at Boards until it was pointed out you were posting on Boards itself thereby discrediting your own argument... you were saying something about a pathetic and weak response? I can only assume thats what you are referring to.

    Now digging up Gay Byrne to have a go at ... a new low in whataboutery.

    Here is that poll again btw, you have quite obviously tried to run away from it in your last few posts but this is objectively relevant to the current discussion in a way that Gay Byrne and TV3 are not:

    "The latest Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks poll shows 55pc of the public believe he should pay the money back to the national broadcaster; 31pc think he shouldn’t and 14pc don’t know."

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭backwards_man


    It may have cleared Tubridy of a legal wrongdoing. Tubridy lost the court of public opinion and the moral argument. He took money for work not done under the pretense of a pay cut and garnered kudos for doing so under a banner of 'we are all in it together' while pocketing thousands in top up payments. He needs to address that before bring accepted in any public role in ireland in the future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    To me this looks like the opposite, that there's a few people with some kind of weird personal obsession with a celebrity. Like who cares what he got paid really? Calling him a thief is just false, it has a legal definition, he is not a thief, he did not steal, these are facts not opinions. In terms of corruption, I mean honestly 150k?, that's like an expense report for some of our politicians. He wasn't even a public representative, he was a private contractor, extracting money for services. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation, we didn't vote for him. It's obsessive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    So what’s with your weird personal obsession to defend him ?

    He said he would pay the money back. He hasn’t.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭bartkingcole


    I think he should be reinstated in RTE. the station is not the same since he left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭rdser


    His rehabilitation is well under way in the Irish media it seems. So you might get your wish..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There's been little or no change in ratings since he left… if anything the likes of Callan have done well to hold or increase the audience for the time slot on radio. And on TV you'd be hard pressed to find any objective commentator that would say Kielty isn't doing at least as well as Tubridy was.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    In fairness I probably have 5/6 posts in this thread since it began. I just find it kind of ludicrous, I open a newspaper any week now, I see thousands of children being bombed in gaza, homeless epidemic, potential use of chemical weapons in ukraine, environmental collapse and destruction of ecosystems that will never recover, forest fires, flooding, rape and murder etc etc. and I come here to see a thread resurrected over and over from the pandemic "he is a thief and liar and he should pay if back and apoligise and we still will never forgive him!". All this over a a guy who legally receives 150k and doesn't really owe "the public" anything because he is not a public representative, just a private citizen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    'Like who cares what he got paid really?'

    Considering part of his salary is the tax that we all pay I very much care and so should you.

    Accountability and doing the right thing matters ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Why would he pay back money he was entitled to but agreed to refund to RTE provided he was still employed there which he isn't?

    Tubridy is doing fine, RTE less so judging by this radio critic's article in the IT.

    "In a world riven by social division and online venom, there’s a place where the vibe is unwaveringly upbeat, negativity is determinedly banished and everyone is nice to each other, or to one person at least.

    So fervently cheerful is the mood on The Ryan Tubridy Show (Q102, weekdays) that it’s possible, just for a minute, to forget about troubles roiling the globe and even the payments scandal that saw the host exit RTÉ two years ago this month.

    Broadcasting from the London studios of Virgin Radio UK, the station he joined in January 2024, Tubridy approaches his late-morning show with Tiggerish verve, bringing an unflagging enthusiasm to the insouciant musings, breezy interviews and industrial-scale namedropping with which he punctuates his soundtrack of indie oldies."

    Ryan Tubridy still has the Tiggerish verve and breezy name-drops. So why does it feel sour? – The Irish Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Grand so, can you point us to where when he declared he would pay the money back he added the clause… provided he was still employed there

    Should be easy for you to find.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    It was and would have been easy for you as well.

    "Mr Tubridy only fulfilled one of the three public engagements and told the Oireachtas media committee in 2023 that he would be willing to repay the balance of €150,000 if he returned to RTÉ.

    However, some weeks later Mr Bakhurst announced that negotiations with Mr Tubridy had concluded and he would not be returning to the broadcaster."

    Ryan Tubridy has not repaid RTÉ €150,000 he received for Renault deal, Bakhurst tells media committee – The Irish Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That's not a quote of what he said. That's a one liner from an Irish Times journalist without any direct citation.

    This is what I find when I look at his actual statement:

    “If that work is not called upon to be done, of course the money goes back”.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41181586.html

    Do you have an actual quote backing up your claim?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well I gave you a journalistic quote but you obviously want something in Tubridy's actual words explicitly stating that the €150k would be repaid regardless whether his employment with RTE was continued or not

    He said that he wants to return to RTE Radio as soon as possible “because it’s all I’ve got”.

    “If I do go back to RTE, which I hope to, it’ll be a whole new world order,”

    Ryan Tubridy offers to pay back controversial payments at centre of RTE ‘fiasco’ | The Independent

    I would just point to the context of the other things he said at the PAC and subsequent utterances by the DG when he was asked if he expected Tubridy fulfil his offer now that his employment was terminated to which he expressed the view that was now unlikely.

    Bakhurst knew the context of the offer even if you don't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's pretty obvious Tubridy's actual words trumps a second hand dissemination\summary by a journalist.
    Objectively so.
    And I suggest if the positions were reversed you would argue likewise, that the actual words of the person are key - and you are only arguing the contrary because of a partisan position on this topic.

    Especially so as the comment he made was as part of sworn public testimony to the Oireachtas.

    He added no caveats about continued employment with RTE, only that if the work was not called upon to be done.
    And you will see below, "If I do go back to RTE…" it was not assumed he would be.

    And his comments re: whole new order, as can be seen in the Irish Independent don't relate to repaying the money but about transparency in his contract.

    "You know, if I do go back to RTÉ, which I hope to, it'll be in a whole new world order. And that's why I said today that I'd love to be part of that catharsis for the place, because it's a great old place….
    He added that “if I was to sign another contract, I'd put it out in the public straightaway - no messing, no three-year carry-on… I'd be part and parcel of the new process, to build trust with my colleagues and the listeners - no viewers any more, but listeners anyway."

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ryan-tubridys-day-in-the-dock-presenter-fights-back-with-new-claims-about-rte-offers-to-repay-money-and-a-plea-for-his-job/a447913798.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Oh, and the dubious claim made on the thread that Tubridy is doing fine, RTE is less so… is contradicted by the below:

    Oliver Callan has 21,000 more listeners than Ryan Tubridy’s last year on RTÉ Radio 1, as the former Late Late Show presenter’s new show is down on Q102. The latest JNLR figures reveal that Callan’s 9am slot - which he took over from Tubridy- now has 355,000 listeners, as the newest book marks his first year in the role. This is 25,000 more year on year, and 21,000 more than Tubridy’s final year.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/irish-showbiz/oliver-callan-21k-more-listeners-35226383

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    What are you saying, that I'm partisan and you aren't? 🙄

    He had no legal obligation to return the €150K but offered to do so in the context of a new open beginning at RTE in which he was willing to play his part. A couple of weeks later the DG took umbrage at some interview Tubridy gave and abruptly ended the new contract negotiations. Even the DG recognised that his decision would mean that Tubridy wouldn't feel obliged to return money he was legally entitled to retain.

    As regards the radio criticism in today's IT clearly Tubridy is doing fine but whether RTE is is questionable.

    "What is needed to turn things around at RTÉ? Heads on plates, according to the staff engagement survey taken in the news department in May of this year.

    Certain things look positive, to be sure, with two-thirds of respondents saying they were proud to work for the State broadcaster, and more than 70 per cent believing they know what they’re supposed to do and why they’re supposed to be doing it (“I know what I need to do to be successful in my role” and “I know how my work contributes to the goals of RTÉ” respectively).

    Other indicators in the poll answered by 202 staff members are, however, decidedly negative. Are resources being deployed effectively towards RTÉ’s goals? Only one in 10 said yes. Are the right people rewarded? A mere 8 per cent said yes.

    And most alarming was the response when they were asked whether they agreed with the statement: “When it is clear someone is not delivering in their role, we do something about it.” Only one in 20 respondents said yes."

    The show mustn’t go on for RTÉ underperformers, say RTÉ news staff – The Irish Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,247 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You keep repeating this spin, but let me go back and see what Tubridy actually said:

    Yep it was - and let's not forget this was said to the Oireachtas Committee:

    “If that work is not called upon to be done, of course the money goes back”.

    If only Tubridy hadn't said that, you might have some wriggle room but nope, he completely cut the legs out from under this desperate spin being applied subsequently. So yes your partisan spin is called out for what it is i.e. relying on a media summary over the actual direct words spoken.

    Oh, and the reason the DG took 'umbrage', was because Tubridy started spinning about his part in the dodgy payments. In his hubris and greed, Tubridy just can't help himself.

    So that interview contradicts all the guffs Tubridy came out with about a new order doesn't it.

    If only Tubridy stopped lying to the Irish people and owned up to how wrong his double dealing was, this sort of thing would stop happening.

    All Tubridy had to do was be honest and keep his promise - or keep his mouth shut.
    He couldn't do either so deservedly was shown the door.
    And there's absolutely zero reason why Tubridy can't pay the money back in some way or form, some donation to a suitable fund or appropriate charity. So that argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny either.

    Speaking on Morning Ireland this morning, Bakhurst said: 

    “I feel there was an issue throughout about the need to accept your role in what has been a hugely damaging scandal for everybody involved, particularly for RTE, who need to take the vast majority of the blame, but there are others, including Ryan and his team, who should take some of the blame and take some responsibility.”

    https://www.thejournal.ie/tubridy-statement-cost-him-his-job-rte-6145971-Aug2023/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    You keep emphasising 'it was said at an Oireactas committee' as if that makes it some kind of legal obligation under every circumstance.

    Yeah he said he would and he hasn't. He's moved on since, time the haters did likewise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    If you say something like that in front an Oireactas committee regardless if its legally binding or not I expect the individual to keep their word. Its called common decency and ethics - you should learn about that.

    Nevermind at an Oireactas Committee, saying you'll do something then don't do it is just scummy and cowardly. Some people have an actual memory and don't let go of things like that - especially when its public money being spent.

    'Time the haters did likewise' - A) using hater doesn't discredit the validity of peoples complaints, B) No, I will never forget that and if I met him on the street the first thing I would bring up is when will you pay back the money you said you would? Until the day I either get dementia or die I won't move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    Is that how all you conversations end when someone asks you to prove what you are saying is true ?

    It’s a very childish way to behave. Calling someone a ‘hater’ because they call you out on your BS doesn’t reflect very well on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    But this thread is basically a I hate Ryan Tubridy thread. It's as simple as that.

    Tubridy isn't paying back the 150k that he earned legally. He made a statement at an Oireachtas hearing that has zero legal weight. None of the people here obsessed with Tubridy can show any legal obligation to return the 150k.

    So he won't return the 150k (that he has no reason/obligation to) and the only people who are suffering are those obsessed with the man. RTE has way way bigger fish to fry as it tries to survive.

    People are free to hate on Tubridy (ignoring the 150k hes not exactly the most likeable person)but let's not pretend it's anything else at this stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭fplfan12345


    The man said he would pay the money back if the work wasn’t done. His words. It’s clear cut.

    He hasn’t done the work. He hasn’t done the thing he said he would do. Make of that what you will.



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