Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Why is this line always peddled? 'that sounds like something the far right would say', 'that sounds like something you hear hatemongers say on twitter' Bla Bla bla.

Stop making judgements because a statement 'sounds like' something somebody somewhere said.

We owe it to the posters of the forum to give them the benefit of the doubt, take them at their word and engage in debate instead of obstructing the play with this total BS sophistry like 'Hitler wanted a pure Aryan race and you said pure Irish so you must be a megalomaniac racist dictator'.

On this thread to insinuate racism instead of arguing a point is to admit weakness in the debate.

I've been pro-EU all my life and abhorred the Irexit crowd during Brexit but now I feel like i really want to see the type of proper cost-benefit analysis the British never got.

If the ECJ is effectively dictating our immigration policy I'd be interested in knowing exactly how much prosperity we would stand to lose by leaving Europe.

We would inevitably end up tied economically to Britain which would be really sad but I'm not sure its worse than losing whole towns to sects and having a Dail with loads of TDs whose 1st priority isn't truly Ireland.

I watched a video about Ilford last night where the local people were saying how much they liked it because 'this really feels like home here, it's feels like you're in India'

I don't want Ireland to fragment geographically along multi-cultural lines but there doesn't seem to be any cases in Western society where it didn't happen that way.

The sad reality is that true integration is painfully slow and possibly takes multiple generations to happen. And the higher the speed of migration, the slower the speed of integration.

This is a really important question. I imagine seeing these marches must feel really disconcerting for non-Irish. I don't particularly find the whole thing pleasant but at the same time not everything that is necessary will also be pleasant. The marches are a by product of the fears of the local population for the future of their country and I don't think anybody, neither the pro open borders folks or immigrants themselves should deny them their entitlement to hold that view. This is their country and if they feel they need to shout 'out out out' to be heard, or if that is the only style of expression they know, so be it. They are our brethren.

I can see why it could be construed as a barrier to integration but I think we actually need to deal with some preceding questions

• Can integration work at all?
• If it can, how do you do it? No one has any real proof of concept.
• What does it look like when it works?
• How much 'acceptance' of other cultures are we expected to make?
• How much 'integration' are immigrants expected to concede (e.g. Practise Muslim faith privately, but don't wear burqas or Harbour ambitions to expand Islam in Ireland?)
• Do we expect immigrants to adopt typical Irish political positions in their voting patterns or positions more attuned to their origin?
• If their original country was at war with the host country who would they side with?

Your point is valid in that those protests potentially do detract from the Irish side's contribution to the integration attempt but, and this is the clincher, if integration was not going to happen effectively anyway then perhaps abandonment of the process is the better path and in that sense the protests become an important step in correcting the problem.

The leftist in me would love to welcome people of all creeds once they are making a fair contribution to society however the rightist in me fails to see how we can transform masses of adult foreigners to quickly become Irish to their core or Irish to the core with a few heritage related kinks.

I'm obviously not the person to solve this problem but my view is that existing legal immigrants should be moving way out of their comfort zone to willingly integrate further and anyone that arrived illegally should be boarded onto a plane home after a 24hr assessment, ergo mass deportations.

Further to that we need to consider our lowering birthrate as another existential crisis and start spending money incentivising productive Irish people (both indigenous and successfully integrated) to have larger families. Perhaps tax relief of some kind.

If we needed good nurses and Filipino nurses saw a better life here I think this is a good transaction once the legal selection route is respected, work permit granted etc.

Our government should be having regard though to making sure Ireland can produce the workers it needs in the future because as good as Filipino nurses are (they took great care of my little one) we don't want so much of anything that it disrupts the demographic nature of the country.

Obviously my biggest personal fear is Islamisation but too much of any kind of immigration is not desirable, often for different reasons.

That is absolutely the bottom of it. Islam is expanding everywhere and we are a Christian country with a low birth rate.

I don't want Ireland to become an Islamic country and I look across the water at Britain and feel sad that it's losing itself to Islam. Nothing against individual Muslims once they are good, productive people and don't seek to trample over local cultures. However I am not a fan at all of the ideology and it's not right for Ireland.

By the way, I went to a lot of trouble to respond to your post in a fair and succinct way. If you are passive aggressively insinuating racism in your reponse would you mind saying it clearly, I want to build a picture for the mods of how those accusations derail the conversation?

"England is lost due to Islam!!"

"The Irish government hate the indigenous Irish!!"

What can you do in response to people like this?

People fall into the far right rabbit hole and live miserable lives. I understand it gives them purpose and, maybe for the first time in their lives, a sense of belonging or being important. But it clearly makes some of them miserable. Feeling like your government is coming after you or that England is lost due to Islam are just really weird things to say unless you are in a far right echo chamber.