Israel/Palestine Thread

What is it with your constant childish replies? You have demonstrated you don't understand how it is determined whether genocide has taken place or not.

Did you even read the article you are linking to?

As these widespread, horrendous acts appear to have been carried out with an “intent to destroy, in whole or in part” a national group – Israelis – a goal explicitly declared by Hamas, they most probably constitute an international crime of genocide, proscribed by the Genocide Convention and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

They're qualifying the statement because the burden of proof is very high when it comes to determining whether genocide has taken place or not, probably something else you don't know.

Also from the article

Crimes Against Humanity

Crimes against humanity refers to acts conducted as part of a “widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population”. The acts that may constitute crimes against humanity include, among others, enforced disappearances, torture, sexual violence and persecution. The abduction of people without provision of information regarding their whereabouts constitutes the crime of enforced disappearances. Furthermore, available information indicates that many abductees were tortured by their captors.  These acts were multiply committed by Hamas towards the hostages in execution of its policy to attack civilians, and thus constitute crimes against humanity, for which perpetrators must bear full accountability

I assume you are going to tell us none of that applies to Israel?

I know you won't address anything honestly, but go ahead with another childish reply and accuse me of supporting Hamas or whatever.

I’ll deal with your last point first.

Israel’s surprise attack on Iran was supposed to ensure Iran could not develop a nuclear weapon. It then attempted to initiate regime change.
Neither of these have been achieved.

It would be really helpful if you could include the links you provide in a format that that be clicked on in post rather than being copy and pasted and searched for. It just takes a couple of seconds.

16 IDF soldiers were killed in Gaza in July. Over 200 wounded. Hamas has not been militarily defeated.

Mao controlled less than 1% of China following the long march. The communists were not militarily defeated.

As I have said. Israel has not ended Hamas control in Gaza. Despite a 20 month bombing campaign, starvation, AI killer drones, arming criminal gangs etc. Hamas remain ensconced in Gaza.

Hamas retains hostages despite massive rewards available to starving people to betray their captors.

It may be inconceivable for you to acknowledge this Israeli defeat but it is a defeat nonetheless. If Israel had succeeded in their war aims and this resulted in former allies recognising a Palestinian state that would be one thing. But Israel now have the worst of both worlds. Failure to achieve their war aims AND their allies recognising Palestinian statehood and status as an international pariah.

I didn't generalise about a population of 5.5 million people based on twitter posts.

You did, you claimed Ireland is one of the most anti-Semitic countries in the world based on Tweets and replies you've read. I couldn't be bothered responding to anything else in this post, you clearly aren't posting in good faith so it's a waste of time.

On the contrary - you're suggesting that civilian deaths from bombings in WWII is the same as the IDF killing two little girls. They are not the same.

In one sense you are right. Millions upon millions more civilians died in WWII. Approx 55 million by some accounts. Gaza is a teddy bears picnic compared to WWII.

Presumably you also believe the Nazis were a superior fighting force given their efficient extermination of 6 million civilian Jews plus millions more of what they called "undesirables".

Again, conflating things. The Wermacht were indeed a force to be reckoned with, especially in the early stages of the war, but they were ground down by Russian blood, and American money and ultimately defeated, so they were no actually superior, if we are talking about military terms. You seem to conflate the killing of civilians with military strength. though as if there is a direct correlation.

There is one small but very important stumbling block to the two state solution, Israel. Mileikowski and the entire Likud party have explicitly stated they will never allow a two state solution. This combined with 3 out of 4 Israeli's opposed to a state for Palestine means it's nothing more than a talking point or distraction tool for the likes of yourself.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gen-z-palestinians-israel-relationship-c627cea1?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I have not. I fully denounce the taking of hostages. Hamas should have been shot before they took them, and a warcrime prevented.

My fear is releasing them now, given Israel's mass murder and the genocidal threats of the war criminals leading her government, will result in a far graver warcrimes.

But it's easy for you to discount all this when you couldn't give a fiddlers about the people they are currently starving.

And the difference between our posts is, I have denounced brutality all sides.

You have only denounced one, which is astonishing given all you have seen.

Why?

Likud stated in 1999 that it would never accept a two state solution and Mileikowsky campaigned on the pledge in 2015.

The two state solution is like the magician's assistant, it's providing a distraction to the world while Israel occupies, terrorises and subjegates the Palestinian people.

Israel understands that to exist in 100 years they have to eradicate or remove the Palestinian people, history has shown them this is the only way for a colonisation to be successful, they don't want to be another Rhodesia.