Israel/Palestine Thread

It would serve you much better to contemplate on your own lack of comprehension, which is clearly on display here, than waste your time trying to disparage mine, which you aren't even remotely qualified to do so, and that becomes more and more self evident each time you attempt to reply.

So you want all that to be implemented first, before any hostages are released?

Pie in the sky stuff.

Clearly it is.

To avert catastrophe and dissuade the final stages of genocide I believe this is the minimum required.

There is a man made famine in Gaza, mass death (murder) is happening, and the only response a handful of countries can muster is we will recognise their state at some point. Recognising statehood is not the acute issue that needs solving here.

Arab states appear to be more ahead of the curve here than many Irish people.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/30/middleeast/arab-league-hamas-gaza-israel-intl

It’s just a pincer movement of pressure to end the war. Arab countries are pressurising Hamas while its western allies are putting pressure on Israel.

Israel has much more to lose by continuing their starvation of Gaza than Hamas do by continuing to hold the hostages.

Israel have already lost this conflict. They just don’t yet realise it.

You are an apologist for crimes against humanity and one of those who think they're more clever than everyone else. Go on, elaborate. This should be good.

By any objective measure they have achieved none of their war goals.
They have not destroyed Hamas militarily.
They have not ended Hamas rule in Gaza.
They have not secured or released the hostages.

What has happened is their staunchest allies are committed to recognising a Palestinian state.
Public opinion among their most important supporter, the US, has collapsed.
The international reputation of Israel is somewhere between apartheid era South Africa and Pol Pot era Cambodia.
Educated, liberal Israelis are voting with their feet.

But please outline how you think the Israeli war on Gaza has been a success for Israel.

Its settler colonialism at its most vicious. It has echoes of Penal Times in Ireland where there were parallel systems of justice.

Another thing. The head of the GHF, Johnnie Moore Jr.,is a Christian fundamentalist.

In the US, around 25-31% of Americans are Evangelicals. Most are Dispensationalists of various denominations. The vast majortity of them of the have voted Republican for President since 1980. In contrast, Jimmy Carter won most Born Again Christian votes in 1976. It wasnt until maybe the 1980s that they became convinced that Christians were biblically required to support Israel. Obviously this is not the view of Christians outside the US, though American missionaries have been spreading this theology in the Global South, especially Africa.

Israel as having a role in the biblical "End Times". They see Israels actions as divinely-ordained.

Article on Christian fundamentalism here.

Moore’s appointment has sparked controversy. Critics argue that his background in political communications—not humanitarian logistics—reflects GHF’s politicized nature, and they question whether the organization upholds accepted norms of humanitarian neutrality.

The organization is heavily criticized by the UN and over 170 NGOs, citing mass casualties near GHF distribution sites and a system they say violates humanitarian law

Obvious echoes of British security force collusion with Loyalists in Northern Ireland, except far more destruction and indiscriminate.

Again and again if you look at how Britain and France fought colonial wars in Africa, parallels keep appearing. Despite the failure to hold onto these colonies, these failed approaches, including destroying population settlers, colonisation, dismissing national aspirations as "terrorism" are being continued by Israel. During the Cold War, Netanyahu as Israeli ambassador to the UN, argued that the PLO was Communist.

French public opinion in polls now criticises colonialism. In Britain more still view the British empire favourably (40% in some polls) than unfavourably (25% in some polls). Again and again when I see academics defending Israel, I find they are also defenders of the British Empire e.g. Andrew Roberts.

Anyone else noticing a sea change lately?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2025/israel-gaza-war-children-death-toll/

Article in the WP listing some of the 18,500 children Israel has murdered. Multiple countries coming out and recognising Palestine (with massive caveats that'll always allow them to back out of course), multiple influential podcasters either refusing to spin their hasbara (Rogan not meeting the Polish Mileikowsky) or are actively trying to hammer them (the radical left-winger Tucker going all in). All this in the last week(s) and I'd say possibly unthinkable even a couple of months ago. It's almost like it's hard to justify starving a civilian population, although decapitating Palestinian children should possibly have been a red line a year ago.

It really seems they've lost control of the narrative just as much at they've lost control of themselves.