Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Very insightful Dan, while we have u here have you any idea why countries like Sweden, Denmark etc are paying immigrants to leave n never come back?

Does it sound like immigration is a success story in those countries to you Dan?

Open to correction, but despite the 2005 anchor baby referendum, I think even if a child, whether born here or not, would still qualify for citizenship once they lived here for 5 years.

There was a discussion about the stabber, part of it was their heritage. Inevitably their ethnicity becomes part of the conversation.

You are obsessed with labeling people as racist. At the end of the day the phrase 'pure Irish ethnicity' popped into my head while I was typing with no more egregious intent than 'pure Irish spring water' or 'pure Irish craic' yet YOU picked it up and twisted into your weird 'dripping with discrimination' comment.

I dont care a jot if racists use similar words. I'm not a racist and I know what I mean when I say things. It's cases like yourself that twist the truth to suit your agenda on the day. I know well that I didn't mean anything racist but I'm pretty clear by your responses that you intend to show no respect for my integrity. If anyone is prejudiced in this conversation it's you.

It's not for you to decide what my words mean, they are my words and if you need clarification you ask for it and then you apply the benefit of the doubt. The idea that 'pure Irish ethnicity' has some ulterior motive or meaning is YOUR construct not mine.

These constant attempts to label posters as racists are the weakest form of debate. It's just a diversionary tactic so you can derail the conversation and divert it away from its natural course, which would inevitably conclude with the idea that Ireland has an existential problem with immigration and we need to be unafraid of those who would label us racist, so that the right decisions for the country can be made.

We seem to be concluding here is that when Bush (a born again Christian and one of the most openly devout Christian presidents in modern American history) said he was on a mission from God - he basically was motivated in no way whatsoever by religion and it was just a ruse. I find this a very odd thing to assert as fact when it seems to be an enormous assumption (and seems to entirely dismiss the evidence of statements from Bush himself, those around him, and commentary as to the role of his faith in his world view).

What's also interesting here of course is that, even if we accepted that, we seem to be discounting the fact as to what would motivate him to play to the Christian audience. If we are not saying that this is due to the enormous influence of Christian religious-based thought on American politics and foreign policy - then what exactly are we saying?

We come back again to this point of how nuanced, multi-faceted and acknowledging of complexity we are when it comes to how we (we being the collective of 'westerners') weigh up the actions done by the West. Western nations have done more harm to Muslim countries than Muslim countries do to them, have killed far more Muslims than they have killed Westerners, have miltarily invaded Muslim countries, forced regimes on Muslim countries, treated Muslim countries as the playthings of their strategic interests in oil and other resources in the Arab world, bombed entire towns and cities in Muslim countries and now arm / enable / defend Israel as it commits a mass slaughter of Muslims in Gaza.

And yet we sit here and talk about how incompatible Muslims are with us, as millions and millions of Muslim migrants go about their lives quietly and without threat to us. But any manifestation of wrongdoing or nefarious intent by anyone in that faith of over a billion people must be treated with a level of collective judgement that we will never apply to ourselves.

One adult male passed away from gun shot wounds here it is being treated as a suspected murder suicide.

How dare anyone think it's appropriate to use a tragedy like this to further their own agenda.

"Hours after the attack, the Police Service of Northern Ireland told a news conference a man from the same household was in hospital with gunshot wounds. Following the shootings, police said a suspected triple murder and attempted suicide was one line of inquiry for detectives."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqx2537w5e2o

Headshot, it shows that they have no intention of stopping vast numbers of "new to the parish." We see how well that has worked in the UK and seem hell bent on making the same grievous errors.

Now why would that be? Is it that their lead advisors have conflicts of interest, with family members making millions via shady spiderwebs of holding and foreign shell companies?

One such example is the McSweeney family, the son Morgan is head of Keir Starmers Downing St operation according to the Irish times, but the parents have been paid €8.4 million by us to a network of companies with profits routed through a Cyprus based shell company. Nick Delahanty has exposed this on threadreader.

But, but, but that has no relevance to Ireland some posters may well splutter and try and handwave away. Except that Simon Harris special advisor and lead policy advisor to Simon Harris, Claire Mungovan is Morgan McSweeneys first cousin. Oh yes and Simon Harris has said that while he wants to do away with IPAS planning exemptions it isn't possible to do so at present. Now who could have advised him of this?

So one family is in a position to influence policy at the highest level on two governments while seming to make millions on the results of said policies?

No doubt the Irish Times and RTE etc will vigorously investigate any alleged conflicts of interest. Yeah, I think we all know the answer to that one.

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The poster is clearly right about people being racist. The "fake indignation" was something that the right usually chastised the left for but seem to have taken it on as a strategy. "Omg I'm so hurt and shocked and appalled that you called me racist and far right! You've ruined my entire day!" lol, yeah right.

Are you speaking to me here?

I don't know anything about your fake indignation or right chastising the left, nor do I care. What I do care about is my words being taken out of context even when it's been clarified just so that someone can continue to chuck the R word at their opponent instead of actually engaging in debate. It's a cheap and weak manoeuvre that should be called out.

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I think if I made that statement anywhere it would be taken exactly as it is. A statement about the ethnicity of a person. Are you aware that ethnicity is referenced on the census? Are we supposed to refrain from answering the question for fear of retribution from random social justice champions that incorrectly presume they hold the moral high ground?

You are so blinded by belief in your own virtuosity that you think you've stumbled upon a racist comment when you've stumbled upon nothing at all.