Hamas strike on Israel

Anyone following this thread knows my leanings so no point in going over old ground. That being said if you were pro Israeli how would you suggest it rehabs its reputation.

The world is increasingly recognising the right of Palestinians to a state and hence confirming recognition of the Palestinian Territories. Whilst symbolic it does serve to pushback against the stated goals of Zionism.

If your Israeli and your practical I think the first thing you have to do is publicly renounce Zionism and accept responsibility for the genocide warts and all. That then allows you to facilitate and contribute to feeding the people in Gaza. You can't undo the genocide but you can halt it and endeavour to save as many lives as possible. This help offers the best chance to retrieve those hostages still alive and permits you to show the world that you renounce barbarity of a previous regime. The active participation in feeding the Palestinians will likely cause the Houthis to stop firing at Israel which should help the port of Eilat to become active again.

Another key part of rejecting Zionism would be to pull settlers from illegal settlements on occupied land. Look to rehouse them in Israel proper. It might be possible to allocate those housing to Palestinians who have lost their homes in Gaza. The Golan Heights would also have to be surrendered and returned to Syria.

The apartheid system in Israel would have to be dismantled and the full integration of Palestinians into Israeli society would have to be worked on and they would have to be granted equal rights in law and practice.

Reparations would have to be made to the Palestinians or in lieu Gaza would have to be rebuilt to a good standard and made a proper place for Palestinians to live in. Israel would need to genuinely commit to a two state solution.

Bibi, IDF members involved in genocide and the extremists in the Israeli cabinet would have to be turned over to the Hague. Even doing all this doesn't guarantee rehabilitation in the eyes of the world but not doing guarantees Israel remains a pariah state.

I doubt Nethanyu would listen( he has bascially told the UK and France to get stuffed over the recognition of Palestine)- Unless others offer him a way to stay in power he will do whatever the far right headbangers, who he is beholden to, want. It's quite clear they want to expel the Palestinians from Gaza. Bibi broke the ceasefire in March that could have led to all the hostages being released and an end to the war to appease them. The likes of Smotrich don't really want the war to end because it gives them the cover to continue with their aim to force Palestinians out of Gaza.

I notice the pro Israelis on here keep ignoring that Nethanyu broke the ceasefire in March for some reason. Is it because it proves Nethanyu couldn't really give a toss about the Hostages?

There were Jews in that region of the world every bit as long as Arabs existed beside them, so they absolutely have a historical right to a homeland there.

Maybe Israel got an unequal sized share of the pie in 1948 when things were divided up, but there's no going back from that now.

Arabs did have a say. Plenty of arabs stayed within Israels borders at the crunch moment. They made the correct decision.

Jordan was also a part of Ottoman and British Mandatory Palestine. How come posters like you are never sore at them for seizing so much of Palestinian land. They, after all, not Israel invaded the West Bank in 48, and only abandoned their claim on the region in 1988.

Why can't they grant the Palestinians a Gaza sized piece of real estate on the other side of the Jordan and sort the problem out?

In this situation no political leader will make hostages the number 1 priority. That's the realpolitik of the situation.

Publically, hostages will be number 1. Behind closed doors, in the war room, it's the elimination of the terrorist organisation that launched an attack on that country's citizens that is the primary objective. No military leader would allow their objectives to be compromised by the welfare of some of it's own citizens, because if they did, they any terriorist organisation can hold any country to ransom at any given moment. That's the harsh reality of it.

It's not a genocide. It's not ethnic cleansing. Doesn't matter how often you repeat your mantra, it won't make it so.

It is a war. Israel formally declared war a few days after Oct 7th. That war can end any moment Hamas chooses to accept defeat, and put the welfare of their own people above their own nilhistic desires.

The danger to the existance of Israel is a figment of your imagination. Those 27 foreign ministers who signed the document critical of Israel are all allies, and will continue to be long after the war ends, which it will, very soon. The Arabs nations continue to move forward with normalishing relations with Israel. They recognise, like Egypt and Jordan before them, that Israel is going nowhere, and that peaceful trading conditions are far more benificial to everyone in the region.

For a lot of people around the world, the USA and Europe, Israels right to defend itself from endless assults from demented jihadists hell-bent of erasing it off the face of the earth is well understood.

Hamas are Islamic jihadists. Islamic Jihadists have been launcing terror attacks on Europe for a long time now, remember The Bataclan, the Manchester Ariana Grande attack? For a lot of people those events and the Oct 7th attacks are inextricably linked.

Just because a vocal group in Ireland are very publically pro-palestinian doesn't mean that Isreal isn't supported too.

The future reality for Hamas.

Hamas could be forced into exile by Arab states

Qatar and Turkey, two of the group’s main patrons, have thrown their weight behind a French and Saudi peace initiative that sharply increases pressure on Hamas to disarm, surrender power and accept exile.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/hamas-could-forced-exile-arab-182140925.html.

Unfortunately for you it's not just a vocal group in Ireland that are critical of Israel

Israeli human right groups and Jewish organisations in America have stated that Israel is committing genoicide. Also the fact that staunch allies of Israel have now spoken out against Israel indicates they know Israel has done despicable things in Gaza

You are burying your head in the sand because you spent time in Israel and have friends there. I don't get this at all. If Ireland was doing what Israel is currently doing I would condemn it. You could learn something from the likes of Gideon Levy who refuses to turn a blind eye.

Why sheepysheep are you persisting in defending a country that kills people queuing for food and deliberately starves them. Oh of course you deny these things happened because it would force you to examine your consicence. You can continue to bluff and bluster- which you are skillfull at- but the truth is you are an apologist for a state committing war crimes.

No one has a historic right to a homeland. That's not a thing. No-one has ever been given a country because people lived there 2000 years ago. countries are formed out of the people who live there at the time the country was formed. The population of jewish people there was minimal until the migrations started in the 20th century.

In 1948 they didn't have a right to a country either. They were a minority. They had the right to participate in whatever country was formed.

And palestinians didn't have a choice in 1948. IT's well documented that there were massacres and arabs were fleeing known violence. They were also expelled. In haifa there were mass expulsions and the remaining arabs were forced into a ghetto.

About 700-800k arabs were expelled or fled. that's 80% of the arabs in what is now Israel. Israel was ethnically cleansed, we just didn't have that phrase back then.

As for the UN created borders. That was a colonial project created by colonial powers. The majority of the UN were european powers. There were pretty much no countries that were former colonies. Africa wasn't represented at all. 3 of the 5 permanent security council members were colonial powers that still had colonies.

BTW, jordan is the third most water poor country in the world. they literally don't have enough water to support a larger population. Any sizeable refugee influx would destabilise the country so much that the government would probably fall. That's why jordan has said that if Israel forces the refugees into Jordan, it will be an act of war. Jordan would lose, and they know it, but what other choice do they have. Same goes for Egypt.

What Israel need to do is give the gazans a gaza sized slice of land. Thankfully there's one there called Gaza already. They need to withdraw completely from the westbank. They need to dismantle every single settlement. We need to see an end to religious extremism in Israel. We need to see their holy war to capture arab lands ending.

thanks for that SafeSurfer, will have a read.

Any poster denying that genocide is taking place in Gaza is not to be taken seriously. It is probably the most recorded mass murder in history. Committed by people whose very descendants died in the Holocaust in the 1940s. Whose very state is owed to World guilt over same Holocaust.

The denial of the genocide feeds into the narrative of Palestinian lives having no value much as the Nazi's saw Jews as sub human etc. Apparently, viewing those your genociding as animals etc permits the oppressor to commit the genocide and bring their population with them on the journey.

Nothing has done more for the recognition of a Palestinian state than this genocide. It is having the very opposite effect than Israel intended. It is a minute crumb of comfort in the horror we're witnessing. Indeed it has brought into the mainstream discussions about Israel's very survival as a state. That is how catastrophic this is by Israel. The lack of collective self awareness is both stunning and disturbing. As we see with posters on here the level of denial is comical.

I've said it before. But I'll say it again. The greatest threat to Israel is Zionism. Not Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis or Iran.

No, I am not asking you to trust Israel.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0731/1526226-canada-middle-east/

I am asking you to trust the likes of Canada.

"Mr Carney also said it was also predicated on Mr Abbas's pledge to "hold general elections in 2026 in which Hamas can play no part, and to demilitarise the Palestinian state"."

The refusal of Hamas to stand down is now the major block to intervention by the major Western states.

You made stuff up. Man up and move on.

You care not one jot for women in the Middle East if they are denied rights or killed by Israel. You only are concerned for women’s rights if you can use them to defend genocidal Israel.

You got caught out making things up and instead of apologising and correcting yourself, you are doubling down.
We all make mistakes Blanch. Even Gods chosen people can make mistakes.

That's the thing. Someone is conducting a holy war, and it's Israel. Israeli officials have routinely quoted the torah to motivate the troops.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pm-netanyahu-invokes-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings-what-is-this-hebrew-bible-nation-11698555324918.html

We have settler groups terrorising Palestinians with the aim of getting land that they say their God promised them. And they're supported/protected by the government.