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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I made up the term there and then because we were discussing what might potentially be a 2nd generation immigrant, to make the difference between a Irish person born to indigenous Irish parents or born to 1st generation immigrant parents. Does it make sense to you now? Do you think it's time for a bit a relaxation tea and a lavender bath?

    And don't you dare suggest that I wouldn't support our non-white Irish athletes. Those are your words not mine and I want nothing to do with it. Stop putting words in my mouth to support your incorrect viewpoint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You made up the term to introduce racial purity to a discussion, check what kinds of people use that term. But your own logic, anyone who is only first generation Irish is less Irish. That's sounding pretty off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 608 ✭✭✭Marcos


    A couple of reasons IMO. First is that the Dublin West constituency has a large number of new to the parish who would be more likely to vote for anyone that wanted to bring in more of the same. Second, and more importantly, it was expanded to a five seat consituency and he scraped into the last seat. If it wasn't expanded he would now most probably be heading some immigration NGO, or some NGO that prioritises the rights of immigrants over the rights of Irish like Joe O'Brien, now executive director of ICCL.* Joe, you may note was Roddy's number two at his department, so also bears responsibility for the mess that immigration currently is in. You may note that Roddy posted a video recently defending such NGO's. He knows what side his bread is buttered on.

    Edit: Also don't look at the elephant in the room of the voting register not being fit for purpose with an estimated 500,000 more voters being on the rolls than are eligible to vote. If this didn't suit establishment parties then it would have been fixed overnight.

    *Wrongly named in my view, in a cynical attempt to wrap the green flag in order to try to gain some credibility.

    Post edited by Marcos on

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    1/ I did not make up the term to introduce 'racial purity' to the discussion. You read the word 'pure' and drew your own conclusion. You are overreacting.

    2/ It is possible that a 2nd generation person is a degree less conformed to indigenous culture because of the massive impact that our parents values have on us. This is a fact, and potentially an important one for that discussion, which is still evolving.

    3/ That it may 'sound pretty off' to you is totally irrelevant to me. I'm happy for you to stew in your virtuous bandwagon while I continue with my unfazed, refuses-to-be- censored approach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I'm against racism, discrimination and stupidity.

    If you believe the problem with immigration policy in Ireland is the fault of the WEF not FF and FG you are stupid.

    If you are racist or discriminatory and dislike people because of skin colour, country of origin or the religion they were raised in you are most likely a stupid racist.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Iraq was invaded for the same reason every other US invasion happened during the W Bush era; PNAC.

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: A reminder to report posts you have an issue with and not derail the thread going on about them. Thanks. If posters are going to continue to treat the thread as a battleground and continue with the ridiculous petty mudslinging and attacking posters instead of their posts , we are going to have to go back to threadbans and nobody (including the mods) wants that so my advice is to stick to the topic and if you have nothing constructive to say, don't post it. This note is going to be added to the OP also. No need to respond directly if there's an issue, PM me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I think there is an important distinction to be made here between disliking someone because of their creed and taking a national-level view that increases in that same creed may have negative consequences for the country. E.g. I don't care how many Irish people have different colored skin but I do care how many follow an ultra-conservative incompatible faith because it's impactful for the country. The former would be a racist viewpoint and the latter is a legitimate concern.

    This thread needs to accept the existence of legitimate concerns without derailing conversations with constant suspicions of closet racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So your opinion is, the thread needs to allow bigotry to muslims.

    Wikipedia has that well defined, so I will just leave this here.

    Islamophobia is the irrational fear of, hostility towards, or hatred against the religion of Islam or Muslims in general. Islamophobia is primarily a form of religious or cultural bigotry; and people who harbour such sentiments often stereotype Muslims as a geopolitical threat or a source of terrorism. Muslims, with diverse ethnic and cultural backgrounds, are often inaccurately portrayed by Islamophobes as a single homogeneous racial group.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "…people who harbour such sentiments often stereotype Muslims as a geopolitical threat or a source of terrorism."

    What the hell would ever give them that crazy idea?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Bigotry, racism and stupidy.

    The overwhelming majority of Muslims are not criminals or terrorists.

    To assume all people of a religion act a way because of the actions of a small subset of such a diverse group is plain stupidity.

    You could not put 10 irish people in a room and predict how the will act but you are certain you can make factual statements about 2 billion people spread about the globe.

    That is stupidity borne from bigotry and racism.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    My opinion is that a country's existing demographic is a critical part of its identity and it's existing populace are entitled to hold a view on what that should look like in the future.

    No amount of accusations or Wikipedia definitions will steer me away from that entitlement. A country is a country because it has a distinct identity and I'm ok with a degree of multi-culturalism but too much of anything is not good.

    In amongst the racism and Islamophobia definitions I think we need a definition that addresses self-discrimination by members of one's own group i.e. 'You are the holder of white privilege and are therefore guilty of the original sin of being part of a prevailing majority. You must now concede all of your rights to minorities that recently arrived without invitation or contribution.' Once we've made up a definition we can post it to Wikipedia and try to convince people it's a moral code that they are obliged by.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    All very nebulous - as per usual you have entirely shirked the question and you haven’t given any indication as to what your level of satisfaction is with the current immigration policies or what you’d like to see change from FF and FG

    What is your arbitrary line of what constitutes discrimination?
    Is it “Islamophobic” to note the fact that rights of women and LGBT people have not progressed at the same rate in Muslim countries as they have in “Christian countries” (to use Arthur Daynes term)

    I don’t see how that is possibly “hateful”, it is literally a true statement - if you choose to ignore the truth to satisfy your own agenda you are most likely a stupid ideologue



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yup, like I said, utterly incomprehensible how anyone could equate Islam with terrorism. Completely inexplicable. Bigotry is the only possible explanation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Ad hominem bullshit.

    I answered the question I was asked!

    AND

    I didn't answer a question I wasn't asked Stephen!

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Have you found a single post that in any way supports mass immigration yet?

    #W€F

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Strange the description uses the term irrational, I find most people who are wrongly (imo) called islamphobic, have a fairly rational fear of the consequences of embracing a religion that is opposite to most of the morals and values we have come to expect and live with in the west.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Rubbish

    You did not answer it

    They asked you what your stance on immigration was and they asked you if you thought the current levels were right

    And in response you gave an autofellatory response of how you’re against racism and bigotry (they didn’t ask you your stance on racism)

    You didn’t answer their question whatsoever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    This is a good point. I would wonder if the posters pushing the racism conspiracy theories here could even countenance the existence of a rational fear of Islam



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I haven't encountered anyone here yet that hates all muslims



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Mod - warned for breach of Boards Terms of Use.

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,279 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You believe there's a conspiracy by the WEF, I think most would say that's pretty irrational.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not at all, not one - those posts are a figment of the imagination, like Islamic extremism.

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Quite frankly, I don't care what most people say, I'll contuine to believe what I do and in the concept of the 80/20 rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,128 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Exactly how many “far right scumbags” have been found guilty of arson on ipas buildings??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,158 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41678963.html

    The last time the suspect was a white Irish male. This time it's merely an Irish citizen.

    These fools don't seem to realise that their selective report is what's feeding into the disinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Yes the Carlow shooting culprit's details were out very fast , what is wrong with releasing the name of the suspect arrested , stop the spread of false information and speculation

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,703 ✭✭✭archfi


    ,,

    I guess the IHREC will be off to Europe with this now?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,730 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Still doubling down on this disgusting commentary ?

    It wasn't in relation to Immigration though that's the point . It was a discussion of Irish ethnicity which is better placed among the so-called patriots on Telegram or a White Supremacy site / Tommy Robinson blog

    It was in relation to the description in the media about an Irish person which you and others think does not describe accurately what their ethnicity is, and it is obvious by using the term pure Irish ethnicity what you are saying .

    You are deflecting now trying to cover up your discriminatory post and the racism it contains.

    It has no place in this discussion which is about Immigration not Irish people .

    That conversation flow about ethnicity was banned here before precisely because it was deemed to be stirring hate and discrimination against all.people of colour whether they are Irish or not .

    Edit . Seeing just Necro's post there .I am posting because poster has been tagging me on relation to this because I called him out last night on it .

    I will delete if you think appropriate .

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