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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Why are the US and Israel not pushing for regime change in Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Bahrain considering these places oppress women and minorities?

    I mean shouldn't they be trying to bomb/starve them too, for consistency sake?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You need to get working on this Blanch as your Israeli friends seem very much two-faced -

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/16/queer-palestinians-lgbtq-israel-pride-flags-gaza-conflict-pink-washing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,145 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's quite bizarre to see Israel trying to portray itself as a tolerant and ultra liberal paradise, when in reality it is probably the most right wing, racist and bigoted country in the developed world. Does anyone believe for a moment that Israeli Zionists are kind and gentle and tolerant people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,852 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Another Israeli attack on a Christian Church.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Why wouldn't the Arabs want control?

    You mean, why would the Arabs give up total control over Palestine and employ a 'majority rules' based society, where they would have total control over the Jewish population.


    Hmmm, I wonder why this would make Jewish leader nervours considering what happened in Europe, and what was happening in the region since the 1920's with ethic and sectarian tensions.

    Given our own experience in the North, does it really have to be explained to people why an ethnic minority may want their own state?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I am advocating for a firm agreement to be put in place to ensure the safety of Gazans.

    Like a ceasefire? Most people would agree to that, but you seem to not want Hamas to release the remaining hostages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,709 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Try living in Iran or anywhere else in the Middle East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,145 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    As the article says, the country isn't 'that' much more tolerant than its Middle Eastern neighbours, certainly not to the degree it claims. There are several far right religious extremists in the Israeli cabinet - something you wouldn't expect to see in a developed country. A lot of their supposed tolerance and liberalism seems to be purely for show, rather than the way they actually are i.e. tied in with the Zionist propaganda aimed at a western audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭circadian


    Has nothing to do with anything.

    https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/1948749412437500172

    "Complete halt of "humanitarian" aid.

    Total occupation of the Strip.

    Total destruction of Hamas.

    Encouragement of migration.

    Settlement.

    This is not the alternative path - this is the royal road to securing the release of the hostages and achieving victory in the war.

    Mr. Prime Minister, give the order!"

    Ben-Gvir.

    Not a genocide.

    Post edited by Trigger on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,703 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,699 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It doesnt matter what your wish is, but we need to base ourselves in reality.

    I may want to win the Euromillions, it doenst mean that its going to happen.

    Dismantling Israel as a state can only happen in one way, via military means. And since we have seen that they are a military superpower in the region, then it's not going to happen. Your viewpoint is that of the 1940's and early 70's when Egypt and Jordan wanted rid of Israel.

    But they realised that its not going to happen. So lets stick to reality, shall we?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,957 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,410 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Seems at least some of the airdropped aid has unfortunately landed in military zones and Gazans can't get to it.

    Air drops will not work.


    bbc:

    By geolocating the point of view of that street level video to Omar Ben Alkhatab - First St in the Sheikh Radwan area of Gaza City, we can see that the aid packages are indeed landing into an area which the Israeli military’s map declares a “dangerous combat zone”.

    It’s unclear exactly how far into this zone they fell.

    This isn’t the first time this has happened. We identified two separate aid drops, which previously landed around 1km (0.6 miles) into territory Gazans have been prohibited to enter by the Israel Defense Forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In fairness, UK is tying in a revival of the two-State solution.

    RTE:
    "I can confirm the UK will recognise the state of Palestine by the United Nations General Assembly in September, unless the Israeli government takes substantive steps to end the appalling situation in Gaza, agree to a ceasefire, and commit to a long-term sustainable peace, reviving the prospect of a two-state solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I suppose Starmer is being antisemitic now as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    How did that last ceasefire work out? Because last I checked, the IDF broke it and went straight back to blowing up civilians. They broke it by killing over 200 people (mostly children), without warning - an act I find just as despicable as October 7th btw.

    Would you expect anybody to trust they won't do it again (and worse)? Would you trust them not to?

    You saw the quote from Rory Stewart - an associate very close to Netenyahu told him if and when those hostages are released, the IDF will have no reason not to "wipe Gaza off the face of the earth". I believe they are absolutely capable of this given all I have seen, and I believe that it is likely given the whole population they had been starving has been forced into a tiny area to retrieve aid from the disgraceful GHF (a scenario which was also concocted by Israel on the false accusations that aid was being stolen to fund terrorism - this was found by the US to be false, and the IDF has not responded). The forced movement of populations into small areas is what happens in genocide btw.

    How can you possibly discount Israel finishing them all off as a possibility? I mean you surely can see this is where it's going. And don't go back to telling me an enormously radicalized Israeli society will rescue them.

    Why do you want to put 2 million starving people in even more peril?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    What a weasal commitment by the UK. Either recognise Palestine or not. Israel cannot be rewarded for ending a genocide they started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,163 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel will be apoplectic - as posted previously, two permanent members of the UN is a massive deal. And both announcing at UNGA in September will be very significant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭greyday


    Looks like Starmer thinks another month or so of killing in Gaza is OK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,560 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    You should put that question to Hamas as their ‘strategy’ is to operate from amongst the people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    This is a good thing.

    A little late but well worded and the threat will hurt the warmongers in Israel. The UN will get back in to actually help the starving people and with the UK willing to go with the two state solution and demanding a stop to the expansion of land then the hostages might soon see freedom which would be great. The unfortunate thing is that many children will die of starvation even if it all stopped tomorrow. We could also see a huge split in the Israeli government and the beginning of the end for the War Criminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,860 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of the slaughter.

    I just wonder what made Starmer take this action now and not 6 months or 1w months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Watch other countries line up to do the same very soon. Israel has finally fcuked itself up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,661 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Britain don't want to be seen as part of the Genocide for one. Not good being remembered for that under his watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,928 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    What a spineless prick.

    Imagine thinking that somebody's identity and statehood is nothing other than a bargaining chip.

    Shameful…but no surprise from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    That is the point Brendan. Hamas put these people into enormous peril when they took the hostages - which kicked off this particular round of hell for Gazans.

    But today - given Israel's clear genocidal actions, intent, and rhetoric - they maybe the only thing preventing Israel from "wiping Gaza off the face of the earth", as an associate very close to Netenyahu said to a British conservative politician (who is also part Jewish btw, doubt a Hamas propagandist).

    Israeli society only care about the hostages, any failure to rescue them/ or any harm Israel do to them will land Netenyahu in jail - something he takes v v seriously as I'm sure you will agree.

    I hope Hamas release the hostages in the morning, but not if it means Gazans will be exterminated for doing it. I don't know how anybody with a moral bone in their body could disagree with that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,066 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I'm waiting for the accusation to be made. Anything contrary to Israeli thinking seems to be antisemitic.

    "An anti-Semite used to be called a person who dislikes Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike" - Dr. Hajo Meyer, Holocaust survivor, 1924-2014.



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