Nurse suspended for objecting to a male doctor in changing room

There's more than a whiff of Monty Python about this Tribunal. Firstly there's the impending defeat of NHS Fife, who still fight on like the black knight in the Holy Grail, bereft of any chance of victory, mortality wounded and hopping around on one leg, yet spurred on to keep fighting by a cult-like belief system.

Then there's Dr Upton (the male doctor) at the centre of this farce, who is also discredited and proven to be anything other than female. Very reminiscent of Loretta in the Life of Brian who (like Theodore) wants to be a woman, but ultimately cannot.

The compelled speech / preferred pronouns element to this whole debacle has also been destroyed, with Dr Upton now regularly refered to as he & him, this even though he calls himself "a biological female" ... Yes, he actually said that at the first part of the tribunal in February.

So, now going into the final few days of the tribunal with NHS Fife in total disarray & Dr Upton on the ropes, one wonders why they bother to carry on ..... or have they got a cunning plan?

Admittedly they still have full backing from SNP leader John Swinney, who said just a few days ago, and I quote "I have full confidence in NHS Fife" ... but will that be enough to save their skins when the dismissals & sackings take place?

Who's footing the bill Mr Swinney ?

It's all so mad when you think about it.

She (nurse Sandie Peggie) was in the ladies changing room, undressing and dealing with "women's monthly issues" and he appears in the room!

I don't care what she said to him, he shouldn't have been in there in the first place. Former, you say "any gender" and therein lies a large part of this tribunal. Gender ideology Vs Biology. Sandie being a woman & Dr Upton not.

Employers making a horse's ass of procedures is nothing new, and the law is so weighted towards the employee that more often than not that's exactly what happens.

Literally my only point here is that none of this came about because objects to the idea of trans men being in women's changing rooms, it's how she handled those objections. It's very similar to the Enoch case, who had a legal win of his own last week, in those respects, and also in how the case is subsequently being protrayed.

You have totally misunderstood the case if you think is is the same as Burke

Been reading about this today, I have heard about it but wasn't into the detail on it. The management of NHS Fife have a lot to answer, its an absolute cluster f**K they way they handled it. I know poster on here says it's like Enoch Burke, its not in anyway like that, for me it is more inline of what happened to Maurice McCabe when he was a whistleblower. There is even Peggie boos looking to report her to the police for a hate crime for refusing to change in the changing room, then there was the testimony of Isla Bumble and how she doesn't know whether she is a woman unless she has her chromosomes checked but is sure that Dr Upton is and then there is the A&E consultant Searle who said that "medics make a decision at birth to assign sex and admits that she is not an expert in it".

To me it just seems these people are tying themselves up in knots to defend the indefensible, Why wasn't Dr Upton told to just use the Dr's changing room and not the nurses? This would have been all ended then but it seems these folks went above and beyond to make an example of Peggie for whatever reason and have basically ruined themselves. Also I see today that after NHS Fife said there was no one else objecting to Dr Upton using the nurses changing room and now it has come to light that there were other objectors to Dr Upton using the nurses changing room. It's hard to believe reading about it that these people are highly qualified and yet are making complete fools of themselves.

What I'm suggesting is that maybe, just maybe, it was never about "protecting women" in the first place.

What you are doing is pushing an irrelevant (to the case) smear campaign. The nurse has already won her disciplinary case against NHS Fife and she is going to win at the tribunal. Your smears will not work and just shows you up as ignoring the reality of what happened.

Can you post the transcripts from the tribunal today?

Maybe you'd like to tell us what side of the fence you are on regarding Dr Upton's true nature, as a human being.

Is he male or is she female? and which toilets and nurses changing rooms should he/she be using.

The Ladies, the Gents, or other?

This is the basis for the whole debacle, it's Gender-identiy ideology Vs Sex & biology. So which side of the fence are you on Former?

If you believe Upton is s a biological man, then does he then have the right to be in the women's changing rooms? Or do you believe his Gender identity as a "biological female" (his words) should override biology and allow him into the female nurses changing rooms/toilets?

This is what the whole argument boils down to. One side of the fence (biology) or the other side of the fence (ideology).

See, the point is that my opinion doesn't really matter. or shouldn't.

FWIW, I'd be pretty skeptical about men becoming women and vice versa but at the same time, it's their lives, they can do whatever they want, they call themselves men, women or aardvarks for all I care. I don't consider myself woke or even particularly liberal, I'm a middle-aged Irish man FFS, but I believe in basic courtesy and respect for other people. If a biological male decides that he's going to put him/herself out there as a woman, then my take is that he/she has enough going on without other people piling in and making things worse.

My point was that it is so often the case on the internet that once a person is on OUR side of the debate, nothing else matters, we have to back them to the hilt and that's the end of it.

So here we have a woman with a grievance who seems to be transphobic, homophobic, racist and an admirer of Donald Trump who compared a co-worker to a convicted rapist to his/her face. All of which is in the public domain, mostly from her own mouth.

Now, reading this thread, she's held up as a principled woman taking a stand against something that is fundamentally wrong, and any suggestions to the contrary is wokery, woman-bashing or whatever. She is nothing of the sort.

Hence my comparison to Enoch Burke earlier in the thread.

I just hate this mindset, where you're either for us or against us, and if you're for us, then everything else is forgiven.