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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,633 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    My memory of the 2016 drawn All Ireland final was that every time a Dublin player had the ball there was a Mayo player on top of him putting pressure and forcing or trying to force him into a mistake and a turn over.

    I can't remember what Dublin scored in the first half of that game but people were surprised it was as low as it was, from a, to this point, high scoring Dublin team.

    That's what Donegal should have been doing, hitting Kerry hard at each opportunity to force the turnover and counter at speed.

    But it seems they were not capable of doing that and management decided to stand off Kerry and hope they made a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Ah there's too much talk about managers. Obviously important but if you have the Cliffords and o Shea in form Dáithí ó sé Could manage Kerry to an all Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Daithi might f it up but agree, way too much made of managers in present day Gaa. I suppose there is skills required in managing an army sized backroom team but other than that it's all about players. Who was it that famously said if you want to be a great manager manage a team with great players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I disagree. You don't win 5 all irelands over 21 years without having something. A lot of man management skills needed to keep 30+ intercounty players happy and motivated. He successfully generated an underdog mentality in the squad based on just one defeat and a few Brolly articles.

    Jack feels he has always been underestimated as a manager and after beating 3 ulster teams to win the AI it seems he still is by some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It is hard to believe McGuinness left it as is. I suppose Donegal got within 4 and he was tricked into thinking it was working. But Kerry casually pulled away. Effortlessly.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    What did he win with Kildare.

    Players are the key not managers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The amount of Donegal turnovers is what really surprised me, often when not under huge pressure. Very unlike a McGuinness managed team.

    Either the pre match hype got to them or else they got nervous when the game plan didnt seem to be working early on. Hard to tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree players are the most important element but they didnt seem to respond very well to Peter Keane. OConner had to rebuild an entire backroom team and contend with new rules this year. Look at his track record managing schools teams to all irelands, underage kerry teams and senior kerry teams. Its no fluke. He even had the humility to go back coaching underage teams after winning senior all irelands. Always contributing to Kerry football.

    Kikdare rarely do much under any manager. The culture just isn't there. If fpopulation, financing and money available to coaching and development is supposed to be the big factor for success theres little evidence there. They haven't Kerrys football culture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    That's what I could not believe either. For the master tactian he supposed to be its seems he really could do nothing. Now in fairness Kerry were on fire too.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Where is Brolly today with all his BS that Mcguiness was going to shut down Clifford and Kerr? . People like that 🌹really need to be kept off the media. He won 1 All Ireland with a very average Derry team. At least with Spillane he has the medals to back up his wind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Kerry definitely have the potential to do dominate for many years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    The narrative that McGuinness did nothing is remarkable. Did people not see the impact that Jason McGee had on the game? Did they not see the two bad wides when they were four down? Donegal had Kerry on the back foot at that stage having been chasing the game from the throw up. Kerry then won a very poor free which was kicked for two points and the game was over. There was no way back from there. With the rules,as they are, good teams will then hit you on the counter. Kerry punished every Donegal mistake after that. They even ignored the three up rule towards the end knowing that any punishment would be irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I thought Donegal were never in game.

    Kerry we're far superior all over. He was too late with changes. Too many excuses.

    Kerry destroyed them

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It's the Paudi Clifford 76 possessions and no misplaced pass from all those that have people stumped. Surely he needed to be clamped down or at least pressurised. Underestimating the damage from Kerry 2 pointers was another mistake. Leaving 35 year old Murphy in a pivotal position.

    I'm not one if those slating McGuinness entirely but he hadn't a good day yesterday. I'd still love if we had him when we had our very good Mayo team in 2016-17.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    By you.

    Kerry got first two points of second half and that was that. Even with changes still lost test of game.

    Just like Cork last week kept doing same thing with same results.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Is this good defending? - I'm not really sure. Where they are on the field, would you not be better to have one eye on the ball and one eye on the man instead of entirely focusing on the man. Clifford is 6"3 (I think), strong and fast as a bull, when he decides to go, you aren't going to able to stop him by pushing him away and once he gets that yard on you, you aren't getting it back. I'm not sure if there is a better way, but I would have thought if you are at least watching the ball, you might have an idea of when he is going to make his burst and prepare.

    https://x.com/unspeakable28/status/1949584944575254719



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,194 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    ah Jesus I’m thick

    His comment makes sense so and is a good one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭cgorzy


    Yeah McGee made Donegal competitive on long kick outs along with McFadden breaking ball so those changes helped them a lot. With about 15-20 minutes to go Donegal were probably close to even on actual scores but the 2 pointers had them still 4 down, hard to believe really as Kerry were dominant. Part of the problem though is Donegal(McGuinness) started a team Kerry dominated on both kick out and left them chasing the game. Possibly they could have tried something different on the Kerry kick outs to not have Murphy defend the short kick, maybe have him go against O’Connor and have pace maybe Moore covering the short kick but very hard when it is after a free Murphy is taking. I think though McGuinness was planning to keep the 1st half cagey and Kerry didn’t give it to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Lol.

    He meant the players were coaches.

    Kerry's success is down to practice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,267 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Saw that earlier and totally agree. He was either gonna fly past or get a free because you fouled him.
    Beating him to the ball by being more alert is the only way. Or even getting a hand in to not give him clean ball. Once he went, he was went! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I think he'll be persuaded to stay on.

    Going for Kerry's 40th will be tempting.

    Also matching Jim Gavins 6 AIs.

    Also back to back.

    He has a very strong panel at his disposal with possibly no players leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    It should be fairly easy to find out the size of the Kerry backroom team, it must be available some where. All well paid and I have no doubt the players are well renumerated too, there is no way players in All Ireland contending counties are flogging themselves for nothing when all around tthem are getting paid. id say they are all on nice little packages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Zonal defending is lazy defending, it isn't effective either as we often see defenses torn apart once the attacking team decide to attack, I think this is due to the art of defending one on one wasn't needed in the era of 30 players in one half.

    I know the game was over but did you see how easy it was for the Kerry goal scorer yesterday, that was a very weak tackle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,633 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    You are not thick.

    A lot of people, myself included were wondering did Kerry actually have 40 coaches in their backroom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,765 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    The Clifford decision is the one that will haunt Jim. His expectations of himself are higher than those he has of anyone else. Like everyone in life he makes mistakes but he has the capacity to learn from them. Despite what some would hope this is not the end of Jim or this Donegal team. They will dust themselves off and will come back stronger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Sometimes history can be hard to make. Getting a back to back all Ireland when he hasn't done it before can add pressure. I say he's done this time, I say he prefer to go out in a high. If he doesnt succeed next year after staying on he will be forgotten quickly in Kerry and he knows it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    What standard of Gaelic football have you played? im just curious to see where your view on tackling come from. I played as a back from 18 to 30s, I always loved tackling and never found it hard to get the ball from an opposition player. I was thinking lately id actually love to get into coaching backs, young players just starting off learning to play the game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    He will also be 65 next year but then again he appears to be a very fit man. Doesn't seem like the sort to go off playing golf but I could be wrong.



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