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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,102 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Does it suggest matches played outside Croker are more exciting with smaller venues and smaller crowds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Generally there seems to be a consensus that the new rules are a good thing. I certainly think so anyway.

    The keep ball possession is still an issue alright. Countdown clocks not ideal and I think more hooter sounds and countdown noises would irritate fans.

    Possibly limiting the amount of consecutive handpasses may help. Forcing players to kick more might lead to loss of possession and counter attacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Make a goal 10 or 12 points, it would allow for better weighting of scores generally. Currently two 2 pointers are obviously a goal and a point. Are they worth that? Obviously a standard point would be more than a single point in such a system.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    New rules have been good for game.

    Games at Croker were by and large poor showings.

    Still worth giving this bit more time before we see if it's just Croker thing.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    When Cian O'Neill was being interviewed with Jack O'Connor on the Sunday game did he say that Kerry have 40 coaches or did I pick him up wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Heard that too.

    There is a poster on here who thinks all Kerry's success is because of young lads practicing by themselves against gable walls. You'd wonder why they need 40 coaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭cgorzy


    scoring wise I think an issue is keep a point as 1. If a current one pointer was worth 2 , a current 2 pointer worth 3 and a goal worth 6 the weighting would be about right for me. I’d make a hand passed point worth 1 as I hate them but I don’t think many would agree. It would probably discourage as much 2 point shooting but the 2 pointer is a double edge sword, great when the likes of Kerry are kicking them but Meath destroyed their chances against Donegal going for them. Same with the way scoring goes sometimes it means big leads being brought back but other times it means big leads built quickly and games that are not close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    @WesternZulu

    it isn't that hard to disposes someone in gaelic football, you shoulder them or wait for them to play the ball then put your hand in to flick it away etc. If the defending team chooses to defend zonally then that obviously will make it harder to get the ball back but that is up to them to maybe go man on man at times or double up on him to win the ball back. I have many times been in possession with a terrier of an opposition player who it can be very hard to keep the ball from. Up to managers and coaches to train their players properly how to tackle. what I wouldn't like to see is Aussie rule type tackling, that would just take the skill of tackling out of the game.

    have you played much gaelic football westernzulu? I dont mean that as an insult by the way, I just cant understand your point as I dont think it is that hard to win the ball back, these are County players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Overall probably the worst GAA season for a few years. The hurling had one or two decent games, the football a few good games early in the year but two crap SF and Final. Add to that it feels like everything is so rushed now, I find myself less interested in it than I used to. Doesn't help that my own country is going nowhere right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,194 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    He either meant at all age groups or else said 14



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Almost every "top" team in the country now have a bus full of (Usually paid) coaches and staffers.

    It's a bit ridiculous in an amateur game where the players don't get paid directly and is one of the core reasons the spending in each county is only going one direction. It badly needs to be clamped down on and the money put to better use.

    Kerry had a great year, league and championship as well as Munster. The rule changes particularily with respect to the 2 pointers have realy benefited them - they play lovely football - no issues with them winning. As for the bits of the match that slow down because of the hooter - thats really down to the defending team to do something about it. You'd think there'd be enough coaches involved to come up with some tactic to go against it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    It's infinitely easier to withhold possession in football compared to soccer and hurling. I don't think that is debatable at all.

    That leads teams to play that slow ponderous manner that still persists. The risk of a defender overcommitting and not winning the ball is not worth the risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Ha, the former Kerry players that are on the punditry circuit love to pedal that kind of stuff.

    The reality is they are a juggernaut, a big county totally concentrated on the one code a massive pool of players to select from, huge financial backing. That translates to 39 All Ireland wins. They have produced brilliant footballers but so have most counties, but it's a numbers game and they have very little distraction from football down there, the selection of players they have for their divisional teams would be the envy of all inter county teams outside the top 3 or 4.

    They are well able to spin the mystique about great natural footballers being formed in the Kingdom leading to them being successful, but the reality is it is a numbers game. They have more younglads playing the game without distraction from other sports than any other county therefore producing more top quality players.

    Fair play to them, they have provided us with mighty entertainment over the years and some great individual players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Shorty69664


    I thought he meant that all the (40) players were essentially acting as coaches, putting pressure on each other to up their game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,057 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    This kinda reminds me of when people were so bitter and full of rage towards Limerick that they were willing to believe we had 53 coaches because of a slip of the tongue.

    40 coaches is more than 1 per player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 631 ✭✭✭vid36


    Kerry have the best panel at the moment no question about that but Jack O' Connor stepping down does add some uncertainty for next year and whether they will have period of dominence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Paidi clifford could have lit up a fag n have a few cheeky drags while on the ball yesterday. Kerry 7 points up at the time.

    Donegal seemed happy enough to let him at it so why wouldn't he potter away. Were Donegal hoping he'd run into 2 or 3 lads n get disposessed? Up to Donegal to go out to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Funny it's the money they get from States is most beneficial going by former players

    I work with former Kerry player, they went to States while back.

    He said they were treated like royalty.

    They still have produce it on pitch and by God they did yesterday. Was a masterclass.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    The national league and 2026 championship will be interesting in terms of seeing what changes counties will make to personnel and tactics. Kerry winning under the new rules will force others to pick attacking skillful players, tight marking defenders, proper midfielders and good kick passers. I think it's better for the game that Kerry won despite their huge haul of titles. The only problem is what counties can match their skillset under the new rules?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,345 ✭✭✭Seadin


    That's one thing alright. Be very hard to get a manager as good and as shrewd as Jacko.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    i agree… maybe we are just getting older and a bit bored of the same thing every year…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    my guess is Jack will hang on for another year… my reason for saying this is Jack has never done back to back.. 5 all-ire wins but all one-in-a-rows… he im sure would like to do back to back… thats why i think he will stay on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Its hard to step away when you've a talent like Clifford in his prime to work with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Agree plus club teams alway ape All Ireland winners so hopefully that Donegal defensive system won't catch on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    goals should be worth 4 points. I think it would make things a lot more interesting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,987 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Donegal also tried be too smart. The stupid idea to break away from the parade was the first battle lost. When I saw that I knew they were in trouble

    I remember limerick doing it back in 1996 v Wexford and it just made them look ridiculous

    Kerry let football do the talking.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I thought Cian O'Neill was referring to the players effectively being their own coaches and the actual coaches learning as much from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    it wasn’t a defensive system per se, it was a counter attack control system when required. And when given the chance break at pace. Movement of players at angles when they break befuddling the opposing team. Would suit fit mobile intelligent teams.

    But I suppose it doesn’t work if the other team don’t lose the ball like Kerry yesterday! Donegal seemed to be waiting for Kerry to make the major error so they could catch them on the counter two points / goal. But it was Kerry who did that better ironically.

    I still think Donegal system is a great when executed properly. Just because they lost yesterday doesn’t inherently make it a bad system. Donegal were clinical with chances but didn’t get enough ball to break.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I don't think it matters who the manager is in the modern game. The media big up the cult of the manager, the one man that can be praised or blamed and photographed in victory or defeat. An army of coaches being photographed and interviewed doesn't have the same effect. A quality coaching set up is the key now. Jack seemed to be walking around bewildered before the game yesterday while Cian O Neill and other coaches were doing the last few bits with the players. I think if you kept the same backroom team and but in any other cranky old codger to give the media a few soundbites Kerry wouldn't miss a beat. Don't get me wrong when he came in first in the early 2000s he was the man and did the bulk of the work but now the manager is a media hyped thing and he is only an aging figurehead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,057 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Loads of teams break away early. It means absolutely nothing and you will probably find teams breaking away and winning just as often.



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