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Alex Dunne Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,272 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    For anyone who is joined The Race's member's club - they have a podcast now that covers the junior ranks. They had an episode this week discussing which teams have the best junior driver's programme (basically it was either Red Bull because of Lindblad or McLaren because of Dunne). Interesting stuff though. They indicated there will be another episode during summer break.

    Just FYI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Alex has slipped to 4th in the standings. He stayed ahead of Verschoor and Crawford in the sprint, but Fornaroli got past him after taking the full points tally.

    So it's Veschoor on 122, Crawford on 116, Fornaroli on 115 and Alex on 110.

    But he's well ahead of all of them on the grid, so if he gets away well and keeps out of trouble, he should be able to get back near or at the top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,687 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    i still think its best for his career he doesn't win F2this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Possibly true. But finishing in the top three would be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭bookworms


    Why not leave the result stand, give a grid penalty for Hungary? Kick in the teeth for Alex and he had a fantastic race.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    I presume it's the penalty specified in the regulations. But a ten second penalty is usually given during the race, so the team can do something to mitigate it or it's a loss of a couple of places. After the race, especially when it finishes behind the safety car it's unusually harsh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,272 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Any time penalty for a race that finishes under safety car is so, so harsh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    The reason for Alex Dunne getting a 10 second penalty was due to the driver not following the correct start up procedure.

    However....Rodin have confirmed that they told Alex not to follow the start up procedure based on the instruction received from the race director.

    An awful look for F2 or for Rodin again not knowing the rules ? ,A brilliant performance taken away by something outside of the drivers control .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭bookworms


    If this is true and it can be proven, surely an appeal is needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭csirl


    They seem to be ultra picky with Dunne. Is this another Tommy Byrne scenario - doesnt come from an ultra wealthy background?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,206 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Absolutely unthinkable.

    It should be grid penalties for the next race, at most.

    Disgraceful officiating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,729 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    And stewards report shows Dunne clarified with the team and they told him not to engage the setup procedure



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,586 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I think this is on the team, not sure how they misjudged the situation.

    9th place for Dunne, after the disqualification of Lindblad. Still 4th in the championship. I think he will be thereabouts for the title, but as other said, if McLaren can't find a position for him next season it's not the worst if he misses on the title and gets another year of experience.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,272 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    To be fair, sometimes team errors or faults are felt by the driver. As a simple example - unsafe release in pits is solely the team issue, but the driver gets the penalty.

    Unfortunate for Dunne, but he doesn't have to win f2 to get into f1, his class is showing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    I think they felt that since it was a rolling and not a static start, the start setup procedure wasn't required. Should have checked obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    According to someone in The Race comments, Dunne has lost over 50 points via steward decisions.

    There was a plank wear penalty at the Austrian GP which cost him 2nd place too. So that's 41 points from just two races. Both of which arguably were not his fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 843 ✭✭✭steinbock123


    What exactly is “the start set up procedure” they’re talking about here?
    It was a rolling start, wasn’t it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    It was a rolling start for the race, but a static start for the formation lap. That's where the start setup procedure should have been used. Rodin thought that because of it being a rolling start for the race, the procedure wasn't required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Worth noting that Dunne has said that he'd only consider another year in F2, if he finished outside the top five this year. There's huge kudos for winning F2 in your rookie year, not so much in a second or subsequent year.

    Examples of winners on multiple attempts are the likes of Drugovich and Pourchairre who won in their 3rd or 4th seasons and are still knocking on the door of F1. Nyck deVries and Mick Schumacher both won F2 in their rookie years and got into F1.

    Edit: Actually wrong on both counts there. DeVries won on his third attempt and Schumacher on his 2nd. Those who won in their rookie years were Charles Leclerc (2017), George Russell (2018) and Gabriel Bortoleto (2024). All were straight into F1 afterwards. Lando Norris was runner up to Russell and also got straight into F1. So your rookie year seems to be your best bet to win or finish high up.

    Piastri also won in his rookie year, but took a year to get an F1 seat.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Looks like the F2 System User Manual isn't publically available so your average fan can't even read up on what this penalty was specifically for.

    Does anyone know what the start setup procedure actually is? And what the difference is between using it and not using it? Why did it take until after the race for the stewards to issue the penalty? The timing stinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,546 ✭✭✭recyclebin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    You'd have to be more specific. Many who made it from average results, didn't last very long like Mazepin and Sargent. And then there are those who made it from lower positions, but were in their rookie seasons like Norris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,687 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The other big thing is Russell and Leclerc were in Academies that allowed them to get a seat in a feeder team (Williams and Sauber) until the parent team had a vacancy.

    McLaren can't offer that. They only have 2 seats.

    Norris himself joined McLaren after both senior drivers left (Alonso and Vandoorne). Unless something mad happens and someone decides to buy out Norris/Piastri that isn't an option for Dunne either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,272 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    He could do the Piastri thing of one year as a reserve driver before getting seat? I know Piastri ended up moving from alpine to McLaren, but if he has stayed within alpine he'd have ended up there instead (Lucky him that alpine screwed his contract, eh?)

    I can definitely see a scenario where one of Piastri or Norris ends up leaving the team when the other becomes the de facto leader there, so could see a seat for 2027…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Well he's already reserve driver for the McLaren Formula E team (due to end this year) and the current reserve driver for the F1 team is Pato O'Ward who likely won't continue in that role next year considering his Indycar successes this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,206 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Another unsatisfactory finish to an F2 race.

    Madri from Dunne, but Madri being investigated for erratic driving affecting Dunne, and Dunne being investigated for a yellow flag infringement.

    The undisguised prejudiced witch-hunt continues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,940 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    As it turns out, neither were penalised, but Lindblad and Browning were. Both for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. 10 and 5 second penalties respectively which drops them out of the points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,272 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Do the FIA take way longer for f2 decisions? Or are there just lots more incidents to investigate from every f2 session?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,687 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Because thats risky. Pourchaire was 2023 F2 Champion, got to be the reserve in 2024 and then when 2025 came around it was the newer 2024 F2 Champion - Bortoleto - that got the Sauber seat not the 2023 Champion.

    Drugovich from 2022 is another F2 champion that had nowhere to go and has been stuck on the sidelines since his win.



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