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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,546 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what polices would they be?

    the electorate actually doesnt have faith in the opposition, so wont elect them, and theres currently enough voters that are actually relatively happy with the current situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,992 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    True. Most opposition parties believe Prviate Sector will just somehow ramp up the stock even though as it's stands it hasn't. State backed loans and a model to develop homes once permission is granted. All sounds lovely but these things exist today.its nearly impossible to implement without a snag.

    That's before you even go into the fact it will fill only the pockets of the builders and developers more than it currently is, which already is way way inflated

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,546 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    most major parties actually believe the private sector is the complete solution to our housing issues, but more so our current government parties, as this is a fundamental part of their overall political and economic ideologies, its untrue, although the private sector is required to help get the job done, the state actually needs to be the leader for the whole process. we may never elect a government which holds this reality at its center core of beliefs, we probably also need to create a state construction company, and other critical state functions in order to do so, such as a state owned construction bank etc, a development bank etc, probably wont ever happen though, so on we go!

    the current model is primarily based in continual price inflation, this is what financialisation does, parties such as ffg will never accept this reality, thinking and believing, it ll eventually work, it wont, ever!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    That's fine. I'll just treat your replies as the standard angry knee-jerk reaction coming from a place of ignorance that they are. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,291 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Let's say your conspiracy theory is true, why exactly does it matter? Honestly sounds like a pretty weird thing to care about at all.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,832 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's bad enough when people say 'if you don't watch this video, you're an uninformed fool'; but to do it with a series of videos?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,706 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The EU should not expand any further. As Hungary have shown these Eastern countries don't align with us. Having the likes of Ukraine, Bosnia, Albania or Georgia in the EU would be a disaster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭Cordell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭cms88


    With the womans Euros over and with the WNBA the whole thing about getting equal pay etc is doing the rounds again.

    Do they actually really believe what they're saying? Or are media outlets just misquoting them? If it's not why then is it not being called out.

    The fact is womans sports will never ever be at the same level as mens and that's a fact. However most are pretty much different sports and if marketed as such itmight actually go somewhere instead of trying to make it something it's not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,830 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The male football pundits who do analysis on women's footy, id say most think its pretty sh1t to watch, but its a paying gig and it also makes them look progressive, so they will say whatever they think the public want to hear.

    Also, the advert on Irish tv saying its time to bust the inequality in sport and basically saying we need to get out and support the girls sports, we'll market forces will decide if tickets sell. If the product is good, people will go watch it. If the stands are empty, then maybe the females in society need to be asked why they aren't supporting it?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,832 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭cms88


    Well it's mostly the female pundits and players who are saying ti.

    The thing with having to support womans sports is very ironic. Because the worst for supporting womans sports is actually women themselves yet that's never actually highlighted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,210 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'm happy with them promoting it and making a fuss about it. The fuss around the 6 Nations shows that you can get crowds to watch a sport if there's a big event around it and all the fanfare that goes with it. My mother will have the 6N on tv in the background and she has no real interest in the sport. If you promote it and get it into the culture, then people will watch it who otherwise have little interest.

    If its being discussed around you and everyone has an opinion, then people will keep an eye on it. I don't think many people will watch a sport out of obligation to support it though. It needs the fanfare around it. So I've no issue with them promoting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Went to see the County ladies play a league game earlier this year, then went to see the mens team the following week. Might have been a 100 people total at the ladies games, but I would imagine there was easily 2-3k or more females at the mens game. If even half of them went to the ladies games, it would be a good crowd to get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


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    Which is a massive indictment of the supposed fans of the game who either won't go to games unless tickets are massively discounted or won't watch matches in great enough numbers on TV.

    Women's sports gets plenty of promotion now so that excuse cannot be made anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Organising large scale sporting events isn't about making money.

    They sold out all but 2 matches throughout the entire tournament, record high tv viewing figures for ITV and BBC to date this year for the semi and the final.

    So I'm not sure where you're getting "won't go to games, or won't watch matches in great enough numbers on tv" statement from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Well of course they set viewing records for ITV and BBC , England were doing well so they're bound to get big numbers.But it's miles behind the mens equivalent viewing figures.

    Stadiums almost all sold out because it was in Switzerland and all the stadiums are 35k or less capacity.If the men were playing in the tournament in Switzerland they could have charge probably 5-10 times or more for each ticket and sold out every match.

    Of course making money is a factor particularly if the players are arguing they should be paid more.A loss on the mens equivalent tournament would be a gigantic disaster for UEFA but it's tolerated for the womens game.

    If women went to games and watched games in the same numbers as men do then the figures for both attendance and TV all across europe would match what the men get but of course that isn't the case.

    The only time the Camogie or Ladies football get a decent attendance is when free tickets are handed out to be distributed to youngsters.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,832 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    seems to me that ticket sales account for a relatively small part of the revenue from organising the euros as a whole?

    according to UEFA's figures, the media rights in 2020 were worth €1.135bn (and expected to exceed that for 2024).

    https://www.uefa.com/euro2024/news/028e-1b21849e93f4-be827f967791-1000--uefa-euro-2024-where-the-revenue-comes-from-and-where-it/

    there are 2.5m tickets in total - for total ticket sales to reach that, they'd have to average over €450 each; and given that this is UEFA revenue being talked about, that's €450 extra that would have to go to UEFA, after costs and profits to the hosting venue, etc.

    it'd be interesting to see the breakdown of the revenue; as above, ticket sales may not play a huge part in what UEFA make from the tournament in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It's a growing game all indicators attendance and viewing figures would back this up.

    The decision to choose stadiums with roughly 30k was vindicated as they were all, bar 2, a sell out and created a far better atmosphere than having an 80k stadium half full like the Club World Cup had for many of the matches.

    Not sure why you're that bothered by women's sport when you clearly have no interest in it. Just ignore it, very easy thing to do, but no you seem to get very aggravated by it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,832 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    or look at it this way - the amount om money lost (could we say invested) in the women's euros, is roughly equivalent to the subvention that greyhound racing gets in ireland, where often there are no spectators who are not also involved as trainers, etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    They wouldn't, media rights make up the bulk of the revenue but ticket sale are just one example of the difference between the type of support mens and womens sport get.

    16 million watched the England women yesterday on UK TV whereas 24 million watched the england men in the euro final in 2024.

    Global audience for yesterdays women's euro's final was projected at 45 million, whereas for last years mens euros final they projected a global audience of 400 million.

    So basically people will only watch womens sport if they have a team to support whereas mens sport gets a lot more viewership from neutrals and seeing as neutrals make up the bulk of any potential audience this is where women's sport loses out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,056 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I'd say I watch more womens sport than 90% of people.

    You've just show what womens sport is up against, if you give it anything but fulsome praise you're deemed to be against it and should not discuss it, that sort of gatekeeping attitude really doesn't help things.

    There was a point raised about pay in womens sport and I just backed up why they aren't being paid as much by showing how little profit they generate and how little interest there is compared to mens

    I referenced women as part of the problem because women are the one's who do all the complaining about why the women aren't paid as well and imply it is due to sexism when in reality it is due to women not supporting womens sport in the same numbers as men support mens sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Womens football was banned in England until 1971 and many clubs only became professional in the past 20 years. Comparing it to the men’s game is disingenuous, they are not like for like.

    Best to compare it to the attendances and viewing figures over the last number of Women’s Euros and you’ll see the continued growth tournament on tournament. It’s a rapidly growing sport and doesn’t seem like it’s slowing in its growth at all.

    If you had told people 12 years ago that 16 million people in England would watch a women’s football match they’d have laughed at you. The fact that it isn’t even a surprise anymore is a testament to it’s growing popularity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭cms88


    Yet it's all argued that men HAVE to support it more not should be have to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


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    https://archive.is/20250729023356/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/well/family/mankeeping-definition.html

    The entire article is sad, and basically revolves around the premise that women offering this to each other isn't a burden, but doing it for their male partner is a burden. Other articles, that talk about this "mankeeping", blame the male loneliness epidemic as being the root cause, but women who support their husbands through this are the primary victims.

    These types of articles are honest to God ruining society. Two decades of men being told to open up emotionally, be better, stay at home more, drink less, be less stoic, play less golf with the lads etc. But the sad fact is it mostly gives women the ick to see their partners' sitting at home by themselves, or crying, or needing emotional support, and then they feel like it's a burden to be there for them.

    All I've ever seen in the last 20 years is it being normal to keep a man at home away from the lads, whereas a woman being kept at home is clear domestic abuse. Now the NYT is calling male loneliness a burden for women, after women have either prevented their partners from meeting friends, or have co-opted every male friendship space while they still have theirs.

    There are so many publications being positive about women cheating, women breaking up families to find themselves etc. Women I know have agreed to seeing these all over the Guardian etc. and think it's weird. Articles like this planting the seed in otherwise normal women's minds, that their partner needing support is a bad thing and a burden, is practically evil in my mind. Dating is at an all time low for young people, and men are being driven further and further away. How is calling them a burden for having emotions helpful.

    Imagine articles going the other way, talking about the burden of taking care of your wife's emotional needs, or the burden of taking them out to meet friends. I swear every article like this should have a gender-swapped version on the page so people can look at it and see the horseshlt they're being fed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭cms88


    You only have to see shows like Smother and Bad Sisters to see how media glorify women murdering their partners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,291 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The concept of a revenge fantasy because of abusive spouses isn't a particularly new concept. Pretty sure EastEnders did it a few decades back. Half the point was the women were pretty much destroyed by the partner. I'm not seeing an issue with depicting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    The fact is it hasn't grown organically. It's been shoved down people's throat through marketing and also through that old women's tactic of guilting.

    I don't know how it is funded at all but if there is government funding then it should be investigated for breaking anti-competition laws because other sports like snooker, rugby league, even rugby union in the UK barely get a look in because of unfair promotion/coverage of women's sports particularly football that is way out of kilter with viewing figures, though that crazy promotion has certainly helped viewing figures but not to an extent where it is anything close to profitable.

    I'm just wondering how long whoever is funding it to these levels is going to continue . Maybe the cost of funding it is less than the cost of being called sexist so it's worth it indefinitely.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    It seems every police officer that gets killed is a hero. It really cheapens the term.

    Not much has emerged about the shooter story from NYC where an officer who was working security for the building was killed.

    He is immediately branded a hero. Now maybe he did something amazing that I haven't read about, but I think the media are going to label him a hero regardless.

    My question is what did he actually do?

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    that old women's tactic of guilting.

    Shouldn't have read on after this as you lost any ounce of credibility.



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